LakieLady
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Yes, it must be so annoying when a competent journo challenges you out in a big fib about why you did something by using a statement you made a few years earlier.
The kulaks are revolting - does Urban back big farmer?
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Yes, it must be so annoying when a competent journo challenges you out in a big fib about why you did something by using a statement you made a few years earlier.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
I'm really struggling to give even the teensiest fuck about the squires' plight, to be brutally honest.
Boo Radley75
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Rebecca Riot
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He also said something about buying the land for shooting as syndicate shoots aren't classed as businesses so are exempt from tax.
Another tax fiddle for the wealthy.
Boo Radley75
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seventh bullet
sovietwave
As for the Dukes, Mao the lot of 'em. The Red Sun in the sky and all that. That's my impotent revolutionary violence fantasising out of the way for this morning.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
Just reading about a poor local farming lad protesting whose family farm makes only 3,000 quid a year after tax….
Cornwall farmer says Inheritance Tax changes are 'kick in the teeth'
'I stand to lose everything so I will fight until I've lost everything'
One quick sweep of his Facebook page shows his family farm includes 260 acres, four properties the family rents out, and he appears to spend more time skiiing/exotic holidaying and flying first class than the average Cumbrian hill farmer
His 90 year old grand parents own the lot which indicates this lads problem is a inter-generational estate planning issue rather than an unfair socialist tax opportunity
Tax them till they squeal
ska invita
back on the other side
Woke BBC kicked him out and all he did was sing a little song about N****ERS and punch a member of crew who he called a lazy irish cunt for not bringing him his food fast enough...typical BBC
Boo Radley75
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Rebecca Riot
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If only the wealthy would pay their fair share of tax instead of trying to worm their way out of it then the pensioners could still have their winter fuel allowance.Just reading about a poor local farming lad protesting whose family farm makes only 3,000 quid a year after tax….
Cornwall farmer says Inheritance Tax changes are 'kick in the teeth'
'I stand to lose everything so I will fight until I've lost everything'www.cornwalllive.com
One quick sweep of his Facebook page shows his family farm includes 260 acres, four properties the family rents out, and he appears to spend more time skiiing/exotic holidaying and flying first class than the average Cumbrian hill farmer
His 90 year old grand parents own the lot which indicates this lads problem is a inter-generational estate planning issue rather than an unfair socialist tax opportunity
Tax them till they squeal
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
getting high on their own supply
Can we expect some more later?DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they own tons of the best land here, built another business park, got a local Academy named for them and their massive pile is 6 miles up the stamford road. So when the day comes I can bike up there and turn it into barracks.
Get it right, one of their massive piles:
The family seats are Bowhill House, three miles from Selkirk, representing the Scott line; Drumlanrig Castle in Dumfries and Galloway, representing the Douglas line; and Boughton House in Northamptonshire, England, representing the Montagu line. These three houses are still lived in by the family and are also open to the public. The family also owns Dalkeith Palace in Midlothian, which is let, and has owned several other country houses and castles in the past.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
and they can gift the farms to their kids as well
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Take a leaf out of Chucky 3's family album and hasten grandad and grandma into the Choir EternalJust reading about a poor local farming lad protesting whose family farm makes only 3,000 quid a year after tax….
Cornwall farmer says Inheritance Tax changes are 'kick in the teeth'
'I stand to lose everything so I will fight until I've lost everything'
One quick sweep of his Facebook page shows his family farm includes 260 acres, four properties the family rents out, and he appears to spend more time skiiing/exotic holidaying and flying first class than the average Cumbrian hill farmer
His 90 year old grand parents own the lot which indicates this lads problem is a inter-generational estate planning issue rather than an unfair socialist tax opportunity
Tax them till they squeal
Tbh that's true of pretty much every single protest movement ever. It's natural that people to think that the thing that is most important to them is also important to others.
Personally I think this is going to be like VAT on private school fees, it won't affect very many, there is a larger but still small number that will get wound up about it thinking it will affect them whereas the majority might agree or disagree but since if won't effect them will just shrug indifferently. I'm in that group.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Have to say, even as these whingeing rural bosses fall out of the billionaire news agenda, I still feel as angered about their fucking protest. The fucking nerve of these wealthy tax dodgers to take to the streets when they're still afforded a massively favourable 50% reduction & 10 year interest free pay-off scheme compared to what anyone else might be expected to pay.
Nasty, greedy tory cunts behind this performative display and a load of gullible farmy barmy types without the wit to see how they're being used as cover for the billionaires.
Nasty, greedy tory cunts behind this performative display and a load of gullible farmy barmy types without the wit to see how they're being used as cover for the billionaires.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Nonsense. The decision to cut the Winter Fuel Allowance was a politcal choice not a necessary measure to 'fill the black hole' etc etc.
I note the Government has now admitted its decision will push an additional 100,000 pensioners into poverty just as temperatures hit -5.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Novara doing some reporting & interviewing on it. She gets some racist and personal abuse on the clip as well.
novaramedia.com
Ash Sarkar Spoke to Farmers Furious at Labour’s New Tax Laws | Novara Media
Is this Rachel Reeves' biggest mistake yet?
novaramedia.com
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
That's a very interesting point.
If we look at France, Macron's first skirmish in his attempt to roll back the state/impose cuts was with the farmers. From there what we saw was more and more groups take to the streets/strike/riot - not in support of the farmers per se - but in defence of their own position or over their own issues.
Reeves and Starmer aren't learning lessons from their attacks on pensioners and now farmers. They will maintain their resolute commitment to the rules and codes of elite liberalism and Reeve's willing absorbtion into Treasury orthodoxy (effectively a lament for the good old days of neo-liberalism and managed decline). There is already a startling level of unpopularity for a Government only elected in July.
That's before energy prices rise again. Before inflation starts to tick up again and before real terms spending cuts in departments are worked through.
It's therefore highly likely that yesterday is going to be repeated over and over again as more groups move into conflict with the Government.
Should the populist right be able to fuse it all together (which, is unlikely at present) then all bets are off. Before the election my prediction was that Starmer would be the PM who would usher in the type of populist right politics on the rise across Europe and the US as a direct response to a weak and clueless centrist elite collpased under the weight of events. Nothing I have seen to date contradicts that.
Cloo
Banana for scale
I know it doesn't actually affect that many farms, but if the main aim was to stop rich landowners using farmland as a tax loophole, surely it wouldn't be beyond the wit on man to exempt people who are actually farmers, or have below a certain annual income or something? So it won't touch people who are actual farmers who happen to be on valuable real estate.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
I believe Clarkson when he claims that, the purchase was more to do with his visceral desire to cruelly kill sentient creatures than his concerns about tax.
Must admit I don't know the answer to this but if you live in a property that you inherit, do you have to pay inheritence tax? If not, the comparison with farmers situations is somewhat spurious.
It seems on the face of it quite unfair to tax working farmers who's assets are worth over the threshold. Assets used in the business. These aren't second homes you've inherited off aunty Dorris.
IF farmers do sell up and realise the appreciation of those assets, tax them with Capital gains.
Working farmland ending up on the books of multinationals who don't GaF about our food production sustainability or anything aside their shareholders is a bad idea. In fact I'd stop or severely restrict foreign businesses and individuals being able to buy property full stop.
It seems on the face of it quite unfair to tax working farmers who's assets are worth over the threshold. Assets used in the business. These aren't second homes you've inherited off aunty Dorris.
IF farmers do sell up and realise the appreciation of those assets, tax them with Capital gains.
Working farmland ending up on the books of multinationals who don't GaF about our food production sustainability or anything aside their shareholders is a bad idea. In fact I'd stop or severely restrict foreign businesses and individuals being able to buy property full stop.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
And increase capital gains tax if necessary. That's pretty much the definition of unearned income - something you've lucked into for one reason or another. Hard to make a moral case against taxes on unearned income.
But it's not income, earned or unearned, until you sell.
Exactly. In the case of other types of business what happens. If the benneficeries intend to keep it running. Tried Googling this stuff but there are no quick answers. There's something called business relief.
As much as there may be some obnoxious very rich land owners, some of which may lease to farmers or farm themselves, this doesn't detract from the principle, which is wrong IMO.
As much as there may be some obnoxious very rich land owners, some of which may lease to farmers or farm themselves, this doesn't detract from the principle, which is wrong IMO.
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