To be honest with both these debates it hadn’t really occurred to me that there would be a functioning justice system where they are. I guess I have just seen news reports of the complete devastation and assumed that civil society was pretty much completely shot to shit.
Jihadi Jack wants to come back because he misses Dr Who
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Reprehensible if true, but I don't think similar allegations are being made about treatment now.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
There were 528 posts on the Jihadi Bride Shamina Begum thread within the first 24 hours of the thread being posted. I predict that this one, and Jihadi Jack himself will not emote people quite as much.
Yes I know it's the weekend and people may well be doing personal stuff rather than trying to avoid work, but still. Let's hope that we at least see some consistency from 'I'm alright Javid' the home secretary on this one eh?
Alright then, if you insist:
Fuck this guy. As far as I'm concerned he can be left rot in Kurdish hands, or if he can somehow make it back to the UK under his own steam, he can face trial for his actions in a court of law. Don't agree with stripping him of citizenship.
This is pretty much my opinion of Begum too.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Me neither - just wanted the get the record straight on that.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I'm not sure whether I watched the right bit exactly, but I didn't see that.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
“He said when asked about the Bataclan attack: “At the time, I thought it was a good thing. At the time we had this idea, living in Raqqa, getting bombed every five minutes by coalition jets. I’ve seen children burnt alive. You have this idea of ‘why shouldn’t it happen to them?’” But he said he had since had a change of heart and felt sympathy for the innocent people killed as he “realised that they had nothing to do with it”.”
Aprops to nothing but this guy went to the same school as me, albeit quite some years after me. North Oxford is full of these privileged floppy haired twats who pretend they had a normal upbringing when really they all started at the Dragon School and then went onto to St Edwards of Magdalen College School before pitching up at the local state school for A_level.
Also why isn't this thread 100 pages yet you racists etc...
Also why isn't this thread 100 pages yet you racists etc...
8ball
Decolonise colons!
That's a pretty common war mentality. I meant where does he incriminate himself as being a member of ISIS?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Is it more racist for the thread to fast, or slow?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Just to remind people - they turned the centre of raqqa to a site of mass beheadings and torture with heads decorating the railings around it.
(here is an opp for the vicar to mention the civil war and cromwell i suppose)
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The circumstances he puts himself in, and attitudes he admits to, suggests he was a part of the “Caliphate” rather than an aid worker who happened to be in the area.
But that’s me up to 15 posts on this thread. I’ll need to be careful now: only one left before I’m equal with the other.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, I think he wanted to live in the "Caliphate", but I also think the nature of his crimes is relevant (it's plausible they may be far worse than what we know about Shamima Begum).
Since he's in prison over there, Begum situation, obv. I'd say our Government should be aiming to ensure due process on the terms of international law (as should be the case for any suspect detained in another country), but have no other duties towards him. Whereas with Begum, if she makes it here under her own steam she should be dealt with here.
What happens will sadly be dictated by media drivel moreso than anything else, though. I expect we'll see a bunch more cases in the coming weeks.
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
He’s been pictured doing IS salutes, waving their flags etc. Haven’t seen him with a rifle though.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
3 Queens admittedly we did have a few people who ended up in Colchester the "heros" who attempted burglary but forgot a torch tried to use a burning newspaper for light and ended up burning down a block of holiday flats
.The attempt to "shoot to kill" was even more of a farce
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I think he meant regiment, not that fun night in Berlin you had.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Can we copy and paste our posts from the Begum thread to this one?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Whether there's a photo of him posing with a weapon or carrying one as he was a fighter doesn't make too much difference to my opinion of him and what should happen to him tbh. He doesn't come off as very bright in the interview either.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
His “sweet little penitent boy” act is dreadful bollocks. Whether for the camera, or his coping mechanism while in jail, it just doesn’t fit with the facts. I thought the “live my life in turkey” was telling of his mindset, but also how he kept commenting on what he was saying and how people would perceive it. At the very least he’s given people’s reactions a lot of thought... but I reckon there’s a fair bit of manipulation in those parenthetical statements.
Contrast with Begum and she’s a lot less sophisticated in her interviews. If she’d put on a little girl voice, and talked about being very honest from now on, or wanting to come back because of missing coco pops and Blue Peter or something, rather than the desire not to watch another of her children die... she might “come across better” too.
Contrast with Begum and she’s a lot less sophisticated in her interviews. If she’d put on a little girl voice, and talked about being very honest from now on, or wanting to come back because of missing coco pops and Blue Peter or something, rather than the desire not to watch another of her children die... she might “come across better” too.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or to continue to have slaves that are raped by by her husband. To continue to have what are the best conditions for her.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There really are multiple crass reductions going on all over the shop aren't there - from isis bride to just a mother.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I take the same view as LynnDoyleCooper - IS is IS, it doesn't matter whether you're a fighter, a social media influencer, head of their medical services or a baby-maker, you're there to play a role in a project - a genocidal, slaving project.
Think of it as a Ships' Company: the catering team, or the purser, or the bloke who keeps the engines running are no less a member of the ships company than the Captain, or the bloke who arms the ships helicopter, or the woman who fires the ships missiles.
It's a joint effort, with a defined, agreed objective. If you're there (or supporting from elsewhere) you're as involved, and as guilty, as anyone with a rifle, or a bucket of petrol, or with a child's blood on your cock.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Think you may be reading more into posts than is there. It's possible to take the position about the 'Ship's Company' that kebabking outlined (and that I agree with, and applies to both cases under discussion) and also at the same time to think that Begum may be primarily motivated now by a desire not to see her child die. tbh the mismatch between her concern for her own welfare and her lack of empathy for the victims of IS is part of what incriminates her rather than the reverse. Same goes for Letts, who also speaks about the good times in Raqqa. It is clear that they were both there willingly and that they both believed in the project ... until it all went pear-shaped.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Just in a different order
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
For sure. The comment regarding him not being photographed with a gun was more about how it would go with his “not in IS defence”. Don’t want anyone thinking that I’m soft on him because he’s a white male rather than a brown female.
Do we still need to ramp up the post count here or can I watch the rugby?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I think maybe this is down to a lack of knowledge as to who’s out there as much as anything else and that many of these shit-sticks don’t really come to prominence until they try to return. Do we even know who’s out there to any degree of accuracy, let alone which ones have dual citizenship?
In the case of Letts however, I think we’ve been aware of his dual citizenship for some time so the fact that he’s not yet been stripped would seem to indicate incompetence on the part of brother Javid, as you say.
SpineyNorman
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Never do that again please.
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