Boo Radley75
Well-Known Member
While I am opposed to the proposed smoking ban in beer gardens, there is at least one positive of it, were it to be made law...
Sunak wants to phase out legal smoking
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Is it me or does the way he's holding that cigarette look really weird?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
A non-weird person’s thumb would be below the snout.
dshl
Well-Known Member
I vibe with this sentiment somewhat. There seems to be 3 issues here to my mind:
1. Where does this stop? Aren't there more deaths from alcohol so lets stop that then, no?
2. Some don't seem to make the distinction between dying from something like being murdered and something that was an automonous choice like drinking/smoking, cave-diving or whatever. Like numbers are just thrown together with false equivalence.
3. I know that we can harm ourselves through smoking/etc as a reaction to life stresses, etc. But - at the risk of stating the obvious - isn't it part of being a human being in an imperfect world that we get to make our own decisions, lifestyle choices, etc? Isn't that what the human experience is all about? What's the alternative? Sitting in a corner with a neural link?
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To me, this is an inevitable part of the chain that started with Hayek and the idea of perfect markets being the answer to all life’s problems. The failure of that idea led to the idea that externalities can be priced into the market. The failure of that led to the attempt to build hedonic “well-being” measures that could be maximised as part of the market perfectability, and positive psychology as a way of aligning behaviours. And that leads us to this — anything that fails to conform with rational maximisation according to those measures needs to be nudged out of existence. No recognising of the need to allow people to build their own lives and communities, autonomously and meaningfully. No social justice, just individual perfection.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
The outdoor ban isn't going to happen:
www.theguardian.com
No 10 blocking outdoor smoking ban amid hospitality opposition
Exclusive: Government ‘spooked’ by warnings of job losses and pub closures if it added ban to tobacco and vapes bill
novamuller
New Member
I think it’s a great idea to make it illegal for future generations to buy cigarettes by raising the minimum age each year. This could help reduce smoking among young people. If tobacco were introduced today, it would likely be banned due to its harm. While alcohol is also risky, smoking causes more health issues. It’s interesting to consider how this fits in with discussions about legalizing other drugs. Should tobacco be treated differently because of its dangers?
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Lucy, a 20-year-old university student, says she took up smoking recently because "it's just what everyone does".
Almost all her friends also smoke and she says it's more than just a habit, it's an aesthetic.
"I definitely think everyone trying to be brat has influenced people to start smoking because Charli herself says you have to have a pack of cigs if you really want to embody the vibe."
Almost all her friends also smoke and she says it's more than just a habit, it's an aesthetic.
"I definitely think everyone trying to be brat has influenced people to start smoking because Charli herself says you have to have a pack of cigs if you really want to embody the vibe."
Are celebs such as Charli XCX and Addison Rae making smoking 'cool' again?
The cigarette is having a resurgence in pop culture and smoking is being glamorised in film, TV and music.
www.bbc.co.uk
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Every time I think people can’t get any more stupid someone else comes along to prove me wrong.Lucy, a 20-year-old university student, says she took up smoking recently because "it's just what everyone does".
Almost all her friends also smoke and she says it's more than just a habit, it's an aesthetic.
"I definitely think everyone trying to be brat has influenced people to start smoking because Charli herself says you have to have a pack of cigs if you really want to embody the vibe."
Are celebs such as Charli XCX and Addison Rae making smoking 'cool' again?
The cigarette is having a resurgence in pop culture and smoking is being glamorised in film, TV and music.www.bbc.co.uk
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
I have no idea what brat is but smoking will always be cool I guess.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Wait till she watches Trainspotting
Pub garden smoking ban no longer in government plans
The Health Secretary said he didn't want to cause further harm to the hospitality industry in England.
www.bbc.co.uk
I'm just back from Taiwan, where it's long been illegal to smoke outside schools.
first time I saw the signs on a school playground fence, it was a real "that makes sense why don't we do that?" moment.
but on another note, despite vaping being illegal and vapes illegal to import or sell - it's everywhere. people puff away on the club dance floor and nobody seems bothered.
ska invita
back on the other side
I take your point but the spoons in brockley (the barge) is as sociable as any pub I've ever been in....
jontz01
taking refuge in the loft
really pissed me off being in England for a couple of years, a group of mums used to stand right at the school gate blowing clouds. Yea I get it, you've dumped the brats at school and you're dying for that first hit of the day but at least do the decent thing and cross the street. I'm a smoker but I at least have the brain power to not get the next generation tangled up in it.Pub garden smoking ban no longer in government plans
The Health Secretary said he didn't want to cause further harm to the hospitality industry in England.www.bbc.co.uk
I'm just back from Taiwan, where it's long been illegal to smoke outside schools.
first time I saw the signs on a school playground fence, it was a real "that makes sense why don't we do that?" moment.
but on another note, despite vaping being illegal and vapes illegal to import or sell - it's everywhere. people puff away on the club dance floor and nobody seems bothered.
klang
klang
I think it's a great shame that smoking and drinking beer on playgrounds isn't socially acceptable any more. These days these family outings feel very half asked and rushed.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
The text of the Tobacco and Vapes Bill (Starmer Redux Version) has been published:
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
The Labour version of the Bill has passed its first hurdle 415 to 47
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Good.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Until it isn't.
My sister is currently in hospital on a nebuliser, gasping for breath, after a lifetime of smoking.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
That's awful, and yes the consequences can be grim.
But everyone knows this and smoking (by the young) still retains a coolness. Perhaps the risk has some part to play in that
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Well my dad was on 100% oxygen for years, forced to quit work at 60 and didn't enjoy retirement cos he as he said. Retirement would be great if I could fucking do anything. COPD is awful but very avoidable by not smoking almost continually for 45 years. Then 10 years of serious illnesses which compounded til he died.
People moan about the smell of vapes but it's a massive harm reduction over smoking.
People moan about the smell of vapes but it's a massive harm reduction over smoking.
are vapes definitely better? I thought it was still hard to tell.
but my main issue with vapes is they seem designed for, and marketed at, teenagers. the rows of vapes in shops look like sweets or toys. crazy.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
I read news stories of teenagers addicted to vaping and doing it as often or more in fact than people smoking in old films
And then getting moody and violent from vape withdrawal so perhaps addicted to vaping. Have no idea if this is actually a thing though or just media scare stories, was probably in the guardian
And then getting moody and violent from vape withdrawal so perhaps addicted to vaping. Have no idea if this is actually a thing though or just media scare stories, was probably in the guardian
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
If the vapes contain nicotine, then of course they will get addicted.
I guess those that don't contain nicotine can still become a habit.
I guess those that don't contain nicotine can still become a habit.
Lucy, a 20-year-old university student, says she took up smoking recently because "it's just what everyone does".
Almost all her friends also smoke and she says it's more than just a habit, it's an aesthetic.
"I definitely think everyone trying to be brat has influenced people to start smoking because Charli herself says you have to have a pack of cigs if you really want to embody the vibe."
Are celebs such as Charli XCX and Addison Rae making smoking 'cool' again?
The cigarette is having a resurgence in pop culture and smoking is being glamorised in film, TV and music.www.bbc.co.uk
I'm afraid Lucy is just a fuckwit. I smoked at 20 and can't imagine myself or other smokers I knew justifying, explaining it in such embarrasingly immature terms. I wasn't proud of smoking, I just liked it with a drink, then without a drink. Some people are seriously lacking self awareness.
2hats
Dust.
Not for the vast majority of the population that still have to breathe in others' excrement.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
But the shops you are mentioning are not 'proper' vape shops....these are the 'dodgy' shops that have proliferated over time and literally don't give a shit. My local proper vape shop doesn't have anything in their window and only sell legal vapes with strict I.D. compliance. I have come off smoking to vaping....i like the fruity flavours as i don't want to be reminded of smoking......people keep saying that these things are marketed at kids but how ?
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