UK government wants easy access to your private communications.
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platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
You think Sunak is going to force Apple to remove iMessage, and Facebook to remove Whatsapp from the UK just prior to a general election, or what?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If you actually read the thread you would see I have answered the points in this post
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Wow you're so uselessly hopeless I do wonder why you bother.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Pretty amazing that Wired of all sites has a subscription wall that can be removed by blocking Javascript.Partial victory here:
Britain Admits Defeat in Controversial Fight to Break Encryption
The UK government has admitted that the technology needed to securely scan encrypted messages sent on Signal and WhatsApp doesn’t exist, weakening its controversial Online Safety Bill.www.wired.com
On the content of the Bill though, it's worth noting it won't be enforced, but it's staying on the statute books, presumably in the hope that tech will be developed to enable it. I'm sceptical that such tech would be possible as any backdoor you find in encryption is also a vulnerability that needs patching out, but the intent is still very much there.
On Pickmans vs platinumsage, you're both making valid points (it's correct that encryption can't be backdoored by a government without fucking up the entire system, but quite obviously something being damaging to infrastructure doesn't stop governments from acting stupid and they still very much intend to), stop bickering.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh yeh that really works when you've retreated to the literal meaning of your post - that 'nothing will happen before the general election'. You've forgotten your posts about how the Lords could amend and so on. It's not finished its parliamentary passage, just re-entered the news. At the moment your declaration of victory and how shit I am are both rather premature. E2a a more thoughtful poster might have noted the concerns raised in the guardian article and other coverage like this MSN instead of going all prickwomble
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
I made a simple assertion which you rubbished, whether you chose to interpret my statement as a reasonable person would or in some literal interpretation of your own devising. I see no prospect of the measures being implemented before the election, whatever the means used (and yes, it could have been achieved by amendments or, as appears will be the case, by a refrainment from exercising the granted powers).
Apparently though you thought it was a fait accompli: "This bollocks about sunak maybe saying 'don't use the bill we've spent so much time passing', fucking piffle."
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Your point about backdoor isn't one I think platinumsage or i have made, he's insisting now nothing will happen before an imminent election, I'm pointing out it's not imminent. And it's not like encryption the only issue with this bill as per the MSN link in 96.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I don't think you know what a fait accompli is
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Yeah you're nitpicking over something irrelevant in order to continue the argument, as usual.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh it was me who made a rather premature declaration of victory this morning provoking this little exchange. Bet you were all cock-a-hoop posting that, thinking you'd win urban. The parliamentary game is still in play, and as we've seen so often this government says one thing and does another it'd be only the most credulous er prickwomble who decides to base their triumph on a statement in the Lords before the bill's been finalised.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Couldn't give a stuff about winning anything, just mildly surprised that you spent multiple posts barraging me with insults over a statement I made which merely reflected the broad consensus.
But sure, there's plenty of time left for Sunak to force Apple to remove iMessage, and Facebook to remove Whatsapp, so feel free to harangue me again when it happens.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh once again no one is forcing meta or apple to do that. But carry on with that strawman if you wantCouldn't give a stuff about winning anything, just mildly surprised that you spent multiple posts barraging me with insults over a statement I made which merely reflected the broad consensus.
But sure, there's plenty of time left for Sunak to force Apple to remove iMessage, and Facebook to remove Whatsapp, so feel free to harangue me again when it happens.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Once again? That's the first time you've picked that nit. If that's how you genuinely interpreted that sentence why did you spend so much effort arguing against some other interpretation? I guess you're just a shit pedant with no actual point to make.
souljacker
innit
They are intending to force Apple and Google to implement client side scanning though. Apple have already told them to do one though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes, not quite what ps insists
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I have long said I'm a shit pedant, in comparison to avid pedants like you who elevate the phenomenon beyond its previous bounds
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teqniq
DisMembered
They might be intending to. At some point. But as the article makes clear they can't right now because the technology to do so doesn't exist. In the meantime the tools to allow them do so are still in the bill but which is really not good, the whole thing ought to be ditched.
souljacker
innit
Client side scanning is possible but it's basically giving apple and Google (and the UK govt) full access to everything you send. Which is obviously insane.
I've also heard that the bill will force manufacturers to create something that can see inside the messages, which is only possible if you break encryption. Which no one wants, apart from our moronic govt
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