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Sunak promises to introduce mandatory national service for 18 year olds

My 12 year old had just got back from scout camp.

He enjoyed rifle shooting but didn't enjoy crawling through tunnels or using a portaloo. Plus his lips got too dry and his shoes were to tight so needed help putting them on.

Not sure how that bodes for national service! (well I can tell you, he won't be doing the shit show of an idea!)
 
Not like this, they aren't.

If they were properly preparing for war, they'd be resourcing the MOD properly, encouraging decent quality candidates to sign up, training them properly, and making being in the military something that competent, able people wanted to do. Not hoovering up a bunch of disaffected yoot who aren't going to see the point in enduring discomfort and privation, not to mention some performative warm-fields-of-the-past 1950s style bootcamping just to give a bunch of no-hoper populist politician cosplayers the gravy strokes.
Well said
 
As the conflict in Central Europe has shown, there is a need for cannon fodder to feed the meat grinder of stalemate. These young men and women being conscripted will be exactly what the military war machine will use to start another stalemate ww1 style profit maker
 
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Yeah - the French equivalent makes a (vaguely) interesting read... I imagine the Sunak model is more like this than 1950s squarebashing.

Service National Universel | SNU

(google translate is your friend..)
Funny how they leave out the bit when they got a bunch of 15 year olds to stand to attention in the sun till a bunch of them got heatstroke and needed hospitalisation.

They also leave out the bit where they woke the teenagers up in the night with the fire alarm, smoke bombs and gun shots noises and how as is the case in all these things, where the supervisors were good the teens found it a good experience but when they were not it was pretty grim and humiliation was very much part of the experience (and these things tend to attract the sort of people who just want to lord it over kids) Service national universel : un bilan mitigé pour les adolescents et leurs encadrants

Or the bit about the choreography to happy days which not only was super cringe and because of the high Jesus content of the lyrics became a bit of a hot laicity hot potato. Sorry for the twitter link but it was the only place that still seemed to have the video

Those are the ones I remember off hand but I'm sure there were more embarrassing moments since it came into place.
 
Funny how they leave out the bit when they got a bunch of 15 year olds to stand to attention in the sun till a bunch of them got heatstroke and needed hospitalisation.

Something similar happened to us when we were cadets. Remembrance Sunday parade, they had everyone standing to attention for over an hour. Three kids fainted, one ended up in hospital.

Still, we all remembered the shit out of those who died to defeat fascism and that's the main thing.
 
Something similar happened to us when we were cadets. Remembrance Sunday parade, they had everyone standing to attention for over an hour. Three kids fainted, one ended up in hospital.

Still, we all remembered the shit out of those who died to defeat fascism and that's the main thing.

Proper remembrancing, that is. :thumbs:
 
What if they have a hyphenated surname, is that a legitimate excuse?
The idea is so fucking stupid that, in the shrinkingly unlikely event of them A) getting back in power and B) still doing this, they'd struggle to get anyone sane to chair the Royal Commission designed to set it up. Actually, I take that back, maybe Paula Vennells would give it a crack.
 
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no exemption for carers or northern ireland either. Wtaf :eek:

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'So, Mr Sunak, could you tell me about the discussions you have had with UK Universities who will find their intake disrupted by these plans' - that and a dozen more points should have stopped this absurdity getting past even stage 1 policy making. All evidence, certainly, that this isn't a policy at all, just a flailing gesture towards a presumed Reform-ish oldie-ish tranche of the population. Trouble is, when you make an ideological pitch in the form of a policy announcement, it will get unpicked and questioned as if it were a real policy. Even more so when it's evident from day 1 that not a moment's thought or consultation has gone into it.
 
Another aspect of this idiocy is that, I'd have thought, the only chance the Tories have of slashing Labour's lead is if there's a real focus on Starmer and Labour's plans. There's no enthusiasm in the country about either to say the least and the polls are all about a mixture of a depression and boredom with the Tories. This kind of foolishness puts the emphasis back on the idiots in power and let's Starmer and Reeves get away with it for a bit longer.
 
Or the bit about the choreography to happy days which not only was super cringe and because of the high Jesus content of the lyrics became a bit of a hot laicity hot potato. Sorry for the twitter link but it was the only place that still seemed to have the video

this has triggered me! FUCK THAT SHIT
 
had fun winding the 18 year olds up at work and the students by lying my assignment off an saying they were taking people up to 25 :D
can I take my phone?
am I allowed to have coloured hair
fuck equality I'm a girl

everyone's a feminist till rishi wants you to send you to war😒:D
 
I was unlucky enough to have to do national service. FWIW there was a civil service alternative I could and bloody should have opted for, but it was four months longer. Still, I wish I had.

National Service is shit from every respect, even the military one. The first thing our drill sergeants and instruction officers told us conscripts (as opposed to the volunteer recruits also serving) is that they disliked us being there almost as much as we did, for the very logical reason that x amount of willing volunteer long serving and continuously training soldiers are of more military value than ten times as many reluctant civilians taught a few months’ worth of basic war games.

And I don’t know about other countries, but in Spain all the useful military training was taught in the first three months of your service; the rest of the year was mostly the army using you as free labour to run their barracks or do the same basic drills you’d already learned to. Whereas I would have missed National Service altogether had I been born six years later, I was at least lucky to get drafted in the first year it went down to nine months. My brother did a year, my dad something like 14 months, my grandfathers two fucking years.

Fuck all that shit. If a country is suddenly fighting for its freedom against an invading enemy, you can train civilians to the same level of combat readiness in two weeks as anyone who had served military service a few years earlier.
 
Fuck all that shit. If a country is suddenly fighting for its freedom against an invading enemy, you can train civilians to the same level of combat readiness in two weeks as anyone who had served military service a few years earlier.
yeah you dont have to learn much to be thrown into a meatgrinder
 
I was unlucky enough to have to do national service. FWIW there was a civil service alternative I could and bloody should have opted for, but it was four months longer. Still, I wish I had.

National Service is shit from every respect, even the military one. The first thing our drill sergeants and instruction officers told us conscripts (as opposed to the volunteer recruits also serving) is that they disliked us being there almost as much as we did, for the very logical reason that x amount of willing volunteer long serving and continuously training soldiers are of more military value than ten times as many reluctant civilians taught a few months’ worth of basic war games.

And I don’t know about other countries, but in Spain all the useful military training was taught in the first three months of your service; the rest of the year was mostly the army using you as free labour to run their barracks or do the same basic drills you’d already learned to. Whereas I would have missed National Service altogether had I been born six years later, I was at least lucky to get drafted in the first year it went down to nine months. My brother did a year, my dad something like 14 months, my grandfathers two fucking years.

Fuck all that shit. If a country is suddenly fighting for its freedom against an invading enemy, you can train civilians to the same level of combat readiness in two weeks as anyone who had served military service a few years earlier.
I'm guessing you were doing military service in the early 90s in Spain. I don't know, but I'm guessing there were still some echoes of the military's 'dark past' still around then?
 
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