New age cosmic hippies and the far right
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bignose1
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Shippou-Sensei
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Michel Houellebecq's Atomised entertainingly sheds light on the connection between hippy/New Age and Neitzschean/proto fascist thinking, including the idea that Charlie Manson was the ultimate hippy.
jesuscrept
bummed
Hmm. Most ''lefties'' push the anti-Jewish stuff.
jesuscrept
bummed
Yes sorry that was misleading, many push the anti-zionist stuff.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Course they do - in fact this weeks Morning Star comes with a free 'Protocals of the Elders of Zion' DVD natrrated by Bob Crow.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Many Jews "push the anti-zionist stuff" too.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Could you provide some examples?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Not the same is it, it also depends what is meant by Zionism.
jesuscrept
bummed
Is there more than one definition of Zionism?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
New age types use it to mean ZOG.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Well like most political definitions there is considerable room within it for very different outlooks.
For instance IIRC Chomsky has described himself as a zionist but it's not that difficult to find somebody who'd refer to him as a self-hating jew.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
pinkmonkey
2.4 hour party person
It doesn't mean being Jewish, does it? I think people need to stop spending hours on their Guy Fawkes graphics, do a bit of reading and *think* what they are accusing people of.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yeah. But not so puzzling really, all it takes is for whoever controls the page to be into that kind of thing, and the minority of people who visit the page and post similar stuff will be given prominence, whilst dissenting voices get censored.
grit
an ugly force for good
being anti zion is not being anti semitic
grit
an ugly force for good
Thats really pushing it a bit, if you become obsessed with something, you will find it everywhere.
This scene from Pi immediately came to mind, starts at 5:58
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Lots of people on the left get accused of anti-semitism when they are nothing of the sort. Is it so hard to imagine that many "truthers" might suffer from the same thing?
With regard to the question, can't say I have come across much of that type of person mentioned in the OP, but I don't doubt they exist. There is a whole world of weirdness out there.
I would not object to being called "left wing" or "new age".
There are plenty of reasons to be anti establishment at the moment and plenty of arse-about-face narratives out there competing with more sensible ones. I consider it something of a failure of the left if they consider the arse-about-face ones are winning so many people over. A lot of the "Youtube" generation of knee jerk conspiracists are basically won over by US stuff of the Alex Jones type (although there is an amusing row between him and the maker of Zeitgeist up there somewhere) Where is the left equivalent of this stuff? (I know there is some, but have we really mastered it enough? seems not)
Zeitgeist itself is very overrated, not without it's good points but to try and build a "movement" out of it? Proper daft. One conspiracist, a hippy (not a right winger) called Freeman Fly (not Freeman of the land connected, just a funny pothead who goes on about some very far out stuff as well as being into permaculture basically rather a Kropotkinite without saying as much) pointed out that the Venus Project (a zeitgeist "solution") has curiously few humans in it....
Anyhows, the most bugging thing about the kneejerk conspiracists tends to be their SHEER FUCKING ARROGANCE. A few Youtube movies and they think they have the secret to the entire history of humanity , the of us being just fucktard dupes. I have spent years watching those movies, some have merit, some don't, some I don't know. But I am always happy to have my opinions swung.
Politically, too many of these people are vague and drifting - I wouldn't call them right wing per se, but it can be a recipie for conservatism.
With regard to the question, can't say I have come across much of that type of person mentioned in the OP, but I don't doubt they exist. There is a whole world of weirdness out there.
I would not object to being called "left wing" or "new age".
There are plenty of reasons to be anti establishment at the moment and plenty of arse-about-face narratives out there competing with more sensible ones. I consider it something of a failure of the left if they consider the arse-about-face ones are winning so many people over. A lot of the "Youtube" generation of knee jerk conspiracists are basically won over by US stuff of the Alex Jones type (although there is an amusing row between him and the maker of Zeitgeist up there somewhere) Where is the left equivalent of this stuff? (I know there is some, but have we really mastered it enough? seems not)
Zeitgeist itself is very overrated, not without it's good points but to try and build a "movement" out of it? Proper daft. One conspiracist, a hippy (not a right winger) called Freeman Fly (not Freeman of the land connected, just a funny pothead who goes on about some very far out stuff as well as being into permaculture basically rather a Kropotkinite without saying as much) pointed out that the Venus Project (a zeitgeist "solution") has curiously few humans in it....
Anyhows, the most bugging thing about the kneejerk conspiracists tends to be their SHEER FUCKING ARROGANCE. A few Youtube movies and they think they have the secret to the entire history of humanity , the of us being just fucktard dupes. I have spent years watching those movies, some have merit, some don't, some I don't know. But I am always happy to have my opinions swung.
Politically, too many of these people are vague and drifting - I wouldn't call them right wing per se, but it can be a recipie for conservatism.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Again, it depends what you mean by "being anti zion".
If it barks like a dog, walks like a dog, it's not a duck no matter how much you wish Tabitha.
grit
an ugly force for good
Well Zion being used as a word to describe the Israel state.
I wonder if the strike which is going to be massive will 'wake up' some of these people who are moving into rather unpleasant political territory, the sheer scale is going to put genuine working class issues back on the agenda and in many cities the O/movement will be providing various support..
There are a few at the various Occupies who seem to be going this path, I don't think they are anti-semites, etc but the logic of their emerging(and it does seem to be the start of their political journey, many never having been involved in politics before) belief system could mean they end up on that path...
There are a few at the various Occupies who seem to be going this path, I don't think they are anti-semites, etc but the logic of their emerging(and it does seem to be the start of their political journey, many never having been involved in politics before) belief system could mean they end up on that path...
'Anyhows, the most bugging thing about the kneejerk conspiracists tends to be their SHEER FUCKING ARROGANCE. A few Youtube movies and they think they have the secret to the entire history of humanity , the of us being just fucktard dupes. I have spent years watching those movies, some have merit, some don't, some I don't know. But I am always happy to have my opinions swung.'
You could be describing the Sects and the text dwellers, at least in the past, dwindling numbers are I think leading to some humility..
You could be describing the Sects and the text dwellers, at least in the past, dwindling numbers are I think leading to some humility..
TruXta
tired
Well, don't be a tease.
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Not sure if LLETSA agrees, but for me the connections worth thinking about would be all the mysticism and the belief in Great Leaders, the divide between the "enlightened" and the mass, etc.
New age movements and fascism have all that in spades, and often appeal to similar people. (Which is not to say they are the same thing.)
I do agree. All that and the elevation of 'feeling,' instinct and 'awareness' above rational thought, and the emphasis on immediate gratification of all desire. That isn't to say that hippies and fascists are identical, nor that your average New Age type wouldn't be repelled by your average racist/fascist buffoon, but Houellebecq's idea of Manson as the inevitable outcome of following the hippy ideal to its logical conclusion is worth thinking about.
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