Collective - new left wing party?

[Jeremiah18.17]

This thread is a near perfect example of Urban’s decline. No serious analysis, no suggestion of alternative strategies, the shallowest of critiques from ageing, bitter, burnt out, despairing “resting” “socialists” & “anarchists”, punctuated by the bad faith interventions of Blairite scum who are now an indulged part of the Urban furniture.
Pale, male, stale and old.

Meanwhile, a good part of what today passes for the “left” in UK & particularly the US have become dictator apologists of the most craven and blatant form, whilst others are only woken from their retirement slumbers when there is a suggestion that one of the objects of their recent personality-cult monomania might be coming to save them.

All this whilst the planet burns, the working class in even the “rich West” struggle for survival in largely ununionised penury, and the Fash plan their future coups & camps quite openly.

Just have a word with yourselves.

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

This thread is a near perfect example of Urban’s decline. No serious analysis, no suggestion of alternative strategies, the shallowest of critiques from ageing, bitter, burnt out, despairing “resting” “socialists” & “anarchists”, punctuated by the bad faith interventions of Blairite scum who are now an indulged part of the Urban furniture.
Pale, male and old.

Meanwhile, a good part of what today passes for the “left” in UK & particularly the US have become dictator apologists of the most craven and blatant form, whilst others are only woken from their retirement slumbers when there is a suggestion that one of the objects of their recent personality-cult monomania might be coming to save them.

All this whilst the planet burns, the working class in even the “rich West” struggle for survival in largely ununionised penury, the Fash plan their future coups & camps quite openly.

Just have a word with yourselves.

Elsewhere, this is the level of nonsense politics some former “Corbynites” have descended to, on a level with the apolitical folk you might encounter in local community campaigns who would see the first move any campaign should take would be to “write to the Queen” about whatever local environmental, planning or housing issue you were engaged in.

 

[hitmouse]

Not sure why you think that people putting more effort into posting on a thread started by a Blairite about a clearly dead-end project would improve any of this?

 

[emanymton]

Not sure why you think that people putting more effort into posting on a thread started by a Blairite about a clearly dead-end project would improve any of this?

I think that good awful purple box is one for your font thread though.

 

[PR1Berske]

Pale, male, stale and old.

Forums and messageboards all around, really. There is exhaustion at the idea of yet another party being launched in the white heat of an election defeat.

 

[hitmouse]

I think that good awful purple box is one for your font thread though.

I thought it might be a bit too mean to add that, but yes, you're exactly right, I think that the lack of serious analysis of their Wordart choice there is a perfect example of Urban's decline.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

no suggestion of alternative strategies,

Not true. I suggested the adoption of the 1970’s industrial strategy of the CPGB a few weeks ago…

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

If you heard the phrase "Justice Collective" with no context, what would you assume it was? I reckon either paedohunting vigilantes or second-rate house act.

Sounds a bit Judge Dredd-y.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

You forgot to mention Left Unity and the Independent Labour Network. It was the IWCA, by the way, which had nothing to do with Village People.
There was also the Breakthrough Party.

I would vote for the Village People.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Tbf, I'm not sure if anyone has ever launched a new project by saying "you know what, I reckon we ought to repeat a few mistakes of the past for old time's sake".

Tbf most repeats by the left don't even consider the mistakes of the past so it's quite refreshing to see that level of self awareness!

 

[Kid_Eternity]

This thread is a near perfect example of Urban’s decline. No serious analysis, no suggestion of alternative strategies, the shallowest of critiques from ageing, bitter, burnt out, despairing “resting” “socialists” & “anarchists”, punctuated by the bad faith interventions of Blairite scum who are now an indulged part of the Urban furniture.
Pale, male, stale and old.

Meanwhile, a good part of what today passes for the “left” in UK & particularly the US have become dictator apologists of the most craven and blatant form, whilst others are only woken from their retirement slumbers when there is a suggestion that one of the objects of their recent personality-cult monomania might be coming to save them.

All this whilst the planet burns, the working class in even the “rich West” struggle for survival in largely ununionised penury, and the Fash plan their future coups & camps quite openly.

Just have a word with yourselves.

Pale? Speak for yourself.

 

[The39thStep]

Not true. I suggested the adoption of the 1970’s industrial strategy of the CPGB a few weeks ago…

The Smith/Party Group and the dead end of Labourism

 

[steeplejack]

This thread is a near perfect example of Urban’s decline. No serious analysis, no suggestion of alternative strategies, the shallowest of critiques from ageing, bitter, burnt out, despairing “resting” “socialists” & “anarchists”, punctuated by the bad faith interventions of Blairite scum who are now an indulged part of the Urban furniture.
Pale, male, stale and old.

Meanwhile, a good part of what today passes for the “left” in UK & particularly the US have become dictator apologists of the most craven and blatant form, whilst others are only woken from their retirement slumbers when there is a suggestion that one of the objects of their recent personality-cult monomania might be coming to save them.

All this whilst the planet burns, the working class in even the “rich West” struggle for survival in largely ununionised penury, and the Fash plan their future coups & camps quite openly.

Just have a word with yourselves.

I wish you every success in your new position as a member of "Collective's" NEC

 

[The39thStep]

I wish you every success in your new position as a member of "Collective's" NEC

'punctuated by the bad faith interventions of Blairite scum who are now an indulged part of the Urban furniture.' should be in every candidate's manifesto imo.

 

[steeplejack]

an indulged part of the Urban furniture

I'm guessing indulging furiniture involves Mr Sheen, or something

 

[kebabking]

I'm guessing indulging furiniture involves Mr Sheen, or something

Rubbing bees wax in a sensuous manner while whispering sweet filthy about upholstery in it's stitching?

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

A lot of people on this thread are visibly being consumed by the acid of their own cynicism. Soon there will be nothing left of them but fizzing pools of caustic lifelong failure.

 

[chilango]

Should call it Kollektiv.

Way cooler looking.

 

[steeplejack]

A lot of people on this thread are visibly being consumed by the acid of their own cynicism. Soon there will be nothing left of them but fizzing pools of caustic lifelong failure.

Just as well we've got your flawless high standards to aspire to, eh?

 

[Sue]

Should call it Kollektiv.

Way cooler looking.

One l would be even better.

 

[Pickman's model]

A lot of people on this thread are visibly being consumed by the acid of their own cynicism. Soon there will be nothing left of them but fizzing pools of caustic lifelong failure.

You're misremembering machen's novel of the white powder

 

[chilango]

Personally, I get my Cynicism from works of Diogenes.

In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.

 

[PR1Berske]

A lot of people on this thread are visibly being consumed by the acid of their own cynicism. Soon there will be nothing left of them but fizzing pools of caustic lifelong failure.

Sorry to not join you in the celebration of purple prose, I just think you hit the nail on the head a few posts earlier.

Urban has seen left wing startup parties come and go over the years. We've seen grand ambitions crumble, great ideals deflate, the best intentions come to nothing at the ballot box, and the largest protests achieve barely a ripple of consequence. However you measure it, Corbyn in 2019 delivered one of the worst results in Labour's history: forgive any cynicism about his leadership of Collective being the great hope you want it to be.

 

[PR1Berske]

Sorry, I wasn't going to join in the purple prose.

 

[PTK]

A lot of people on this thread are visibly being consumed by the acid of their own cynicism. Soon there will be nothing left of them but fizzing pools of caustic lifelong failure.

Ohh, get you!

 

[hitmouse]

A lot of people on this thread are visibly being consumed by the acid of their own cynicism. Soon there will be nothing left of them but fizzing pools of caustic lifelong failure.

I think it's fine to be Eeyore, but to be Eeyore about other people being Eeyore seems a tad hypocritical.

 

[BigMoaner]

What we need is a new party of the left of the left.

Still think we need a newer party of the left of the left of the left tho

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Sorry to not join you in the celebration of purple prose, I just think you hit the nail on the head a few posts earlier.

Urban has seen left wing startup parties come and go over the years. We've seen grand ambitions crumble, great ideals deflate, the best intentions come to nothing at the ballot box, and the largest protests achieve barely a ripple of consequence. However you measure it, Corbyn in 2019 delivered one of the worst results in Labour's history: forgive any cynicism about his leadership of Collective being the great hope you want it to be.

 

[taperoo2k]

Still think we need a newer party of the left of the left of the left tho

No what we need is to get rid of FPTP, it's the rotten core of the two party system.
You can have as many start up parties as you like, they either get crushed or
win a few seats. The Liberal Democrats could be the party that benefits the most from
a dead Tory party and a Labour party that has lost its way.

 

[8ball]

Should call it Kollektiv.

Way cooler looking.

Def more techno looking.