Collective - new left wing party?

[littlebabyjesus]

This, the Labour Party won (and to be clear, as a wanky reformist I’m really glad they did) but they did it with a very effective and very cynical campaign to make maximum use of the damage Reform did to the Tories. This is entirely down to the bizarre electoral system we have.

That's one reading of it, I suppose. Another reading is that the Labour campaign appealed to nobody and they slipped through with barely one third of the vote share because Reform split the Tory vote.

Labour didn't win the election, the Tories lost it. Labour stumbled into a huge majority on the back of an awful campaign that inspired nobody. They could hardly fail to win given the circumstances.

 

[A380]

That's one reading of it, I suppose. Another reading is that the Labour campaign appealed to nobody and they slipped through with barely one third of the vote share because Reform split the Tory vote.

Labour didn't win the election, the Tories lost it. Labour stumbled into a huge majority on the back of an awful campaign that inspired nobody. They could hardly fail to win given the circumstances.

It inspired a very narrow band of right leaning people in some key marginals whilst pissing off probably more people, but in labour safe seats. It was one of the most cynical British elections there has been. But also one of the most successful- though I fear that will only be temporary.

Yes the Tories lost, because of the car crash they had become and because of Reform. But the Labour campaign maximised the benefits to them of this. I hated it. Not least because as part of the collateral damage I got a fucking Reform MP.

 

[andysays]

If Corbyn's Labour had won power, they might actually have done some good in office. This bunch of grasping cunts have fallen into power with no intention of doing any good at all.

What is the point in a Labour victory if they will do nothing when in power? The point isn't power. The point is meaningful change, of which there will be precisely none with the current extreme r/w govt. One extreme r/w govt replaces another. Whoopdeedoo.

 

[hitmouse]

Or the Bolshevik Revolution.

AVENGE KRONSTADT AND/OR BOLSOVER!

 

[The39thStep]

I suppose eternally refighting the 2017 and 2019 general elections is at least in some ways a slight improvement on eternally refighting the 2016 referendum?

Or analogies involving WW2

 

[PTK]

Vote share matters, as does winning. Labour won this election by focusing on quite a small group of older swing voters in certain marginal areas, in the context of the right wing vote having split. If my step Mum and her friends are indicative of those swing voters in marginals they're already detested.

"Labour won this election by focusing on quite a small group of older swing voters in certain marginal areas".
Is there any evidence for this claim?

 

[Plumdaff]

"Labour won this election by focusing on quite a small group of older swing voters in certain marginal areas".
Is there any evidence for this claim?

The election campaign?

 

[PTK]

AVENGE KRONSTADT AND/OR BOLSOVER!

When I was in the Spartacist League in the early 1980s we were on a demo - problably a CND one - and nasty anarchists shouted "Kronstadt" at us. They were very naughty, and I have never forgiven them.

 

[PTK]

The election campaign?

That is no answer, so unless you can provide evidence, then I will assume that this claim is baseless.

 

[Plumdaff]

That is no answer, so unless you can provide evidence, then I will assume that this claim is baseless.

 

[The39thStep]

When I was in the Spartacist League in the early 1980s we were on a demo - problably a CND one - and nasty anarchists shouted "Kronstadt" at us. They were very naughty, and I have never forgiven them.

They may have been shouting Ronstadt , after the American singer song writer , just to make American Sparts feel at home.

 

[PTK]

They may have been shouting Ronstadt , after the American singer song writer , just to make American Sparts feel at home.

I once deliberately mispronounced her name as Kronstadt when I was doing A Levels at a college a few years before, when I was having a rant about the poor taste in music of some people.

 

[miktheword]

I haven't seen any evidence that Labour specifically targeted, successfully or not, older swing voters in marginals. It was commented on at length though, that they were targeting those Brexit voters in red wall constituencies that switched in the 2019 election, playing up issues like patriotism, immigration, defence spending, keeping quiet on 'woke' issues. I presume a large proportion of their target would be elderly.

Some interesting results appeared recently
Andy Beckett

Warning to Keir Starmer – you are a Labour prime minister, not a ‘red wall’ one. Remember that | Andy Beckett

This narrow demographic helped the PM into No 10. But overemphasis on socially conservative voters will lead to failure, says Guardian columnist Andy Beckett

www.theguardian.com

The first striking detail is how few extra red-wall voters Labour actually attracted at the 2024 election. According to Focaldata, the party’s vote share there only increased from 38% to 41%. Far more voters switched from the Conservatives to Reform, and this split on the right was mainly responsible for Labour capturing so many seats. Encouraging and exploiting such a split was part of Labour’s strategy: a forthcoming book on the election by Tim Ross and Rachel Wearmouth says the party deliberately did not campaign much against Reform. But with Reform now second behind Labour in 89 seats, in the red wall and beyond, and Reform’s favourite issue, immigration, often dominating politics since the election, usually to the government’s discomfort, the wisdom of Labour’s decision not to take on the party during the election is increasingly open to question.

So is how much Labour’s red-wall gains really contributed to its election win. According to Focaldata, fewer than a seventh of the seats the party captured were in the red wall. This suggests Labour could have won comfortably without them.

 

[Sue]

I once deliberately mispronounced her name as Kronstadt when I was doing A Levels at a college a few years before, when I was having a rant about the poor taste in music of some people.

A little bit of anarchism right there.

 

[PTK]

A little bit of anarchism right there.

I was thinking earlier, after I wrote my post, that perhaps the two events were somehow connected.

 

[A380]

A little bit of anarchism right there.

A little bit of Monica in my life
A little bit of Erica by my side
A little bit of Rita's all I need
A little bit of Tina's what I see
A little bit of Sandra in the sun
A little bit of Mary all night long
A little bit of Jessica, love I swear
A little bit of anarchism right there..

 

[Louis MacNeice]

... The game...

Really?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[SpackleFrog]

Except without the most important bit: winning power.

Only losers talk vote share, winners govern.

Sadly this thread demonstrates why this new venture is doomed to fail, the left is chronically unable to face reality and organise to win. Navel gazing about vote share in this voting system is a distraction. The game is winnable seats, and Downing St.

Oh, you do like Starmer. I thought it was a joke.

 

[SpackleFrog]

AVENGE KRONSTADT AND/OR BOLSOVER!

Nah, Kronstadt was fine.

 

[The39thStep]

Nah, Kronstadt was fine.

Welcome back

 

[hitmouse]

Oh, you do like Starmer. I thought it was a joke.

If it is a joke, they're showing terrific commitment to the bit.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

another day another project to unite the left. This time it’s the podcasters.

 

[JimW]

another day another project to unite the left. This time it’s the podcasters.

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Least they've had the sense to open the bar a good hour plus before the waffle starts.

 

[Sue]

another day another project to unite the left. This time it’s the podcasters.

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That looks like it's from about 1963.

 

[Pickman's model]

Least they've had the sense to open the bar a good hour plus before the waffle starts.

Not always conducive to discussion

 

[The39thStep]

Least they've had the sense to open the bar a good hour plus before the waffle starts.

No beer break though

 

[JimW]

No beer break though

Perhaps you can stay leaning on the bar and just shout over now and then.

 

[ghost boy]

A little bit of Monica in my life
A little bit of Erica by my side
A little bit of Rita's all I need
A little bit of Tina's what I see
A little bit of Sandra in the sun
A little bit of Mary all night long
A little bit of Jessica, love I swear
A little bit of anarchism right there..

 

[Smokeandsteam]

another day another project to unite the left. This time it’s the podcasters.

Who do they mean by the working class 'outside of the major cities'?

 

[Sue]

Who do they mean by the working class 'outside of the major cities'?

You actually read the text...?