'Needle spiking' in UK nightclubs wtf?
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HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
I am so glad I went to bed when I did, and did not get in about all this agro 
Harking back to the subject of medical misogyny, I have another book recommendation which goes into this in some detail (with stats etc)
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weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
It's brilliant. But I could only get about a third of the way through it because the rage it induced was just too much.Harking back to the subject of medical misogyny, I have another book recommendation which goes into this in some detail (with stats etc)
Invisible Women by Caroline Criado-Perez | Waterstones
Buy Invisible Women by Caroline Criado-Perez from Waterstones today! Click and Collect from your local Waterstones or get FREE UK delivery on orders over £25.
I get that. I was like that with Everyday Sexism. Had to keep putting it down and reading something else for a while.
With this one, I keep finishing a chapter and then berating the fella with all the info I've just taken on board.
19force8
For the avoidance of faith
Similar situation over forty years ago. I could hold a lot of drink at the time, but continuous tumblers of gin and tonic with decreasing proportions of tonic left me making a complete ass of myself and barely able to stand when I left. I was lucky to get home with only minor injuries (I woke to find my head glued to the pillow with my own blood).Such a nasty thing to do.
My uncle is 60 and works in an estate agent. The rest of the office are all typical young estate agents- you know, pricks.
He is often the butt of their jokes. He's very mild mannered. Eg sending offensive emails to people when he was away from his computer.
At their last Christmas do before lockdown they spiked his beers with vodka, and he barely drinks from one month to the next.
He got horribly pissed and ended up saying stupid things and generally making a disgrace of himself.
Makes me sad to think of that incident
It actually hadn't occurred to me until I read this thread that what for me (a straight white cis man) was an almost forgotten unpleasant incident with no drastic consequences might have been something so much worse for someone else. That's not to say I would have dismissed their experience of being spiked as trivial, just that I wouldn't have made the link. (Edit: didn't make the link until now)
We live and learn, eh?
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ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
At least with the stories of organ nicking, there was a plausible scenario. You weren't told to beware of strangers looking for the chance of doing a sneaky bit of surgery on the dance floor.
Some fact-checking on what we've got so far: What do we know so far about reports of ‘spiking’ with needles? - Full Fact
Some fact-checking on what we've got so far: What do we know so far about reports of ‘spiking’ with needles? - Full Fact
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Snowball, used for cocktail and not frozen projectile
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Brighton and Eastbourne spiking: Three men arrested
An 18-year-old man from Brighton remains in custody, two other men aged 28 and 19 have been bailed.
www.bbc.co.uk
elbows
Well-Known Member
This was on my local news website a few days ago.
www.coventrytelegraph.net
And this is on the BBC news tonight:
Woman injected with ' noxious substance' at Nuneaton nightclub
The incident comes after a rise in the number of people being spiked at venues by injections
And this is on the BBC news tonight:
Three women treated after Sheffield spikings
Police said three women were injected with suspected syringes in two night clubs.
www.bbc.co.uk
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
But of course it’s just silly women not holding their drink, and blaming an invented bad guy the next morning.
And other silly women getting sucked into a moral panic.
And other silly women getting sucked into a moral panic.
I don’t believe that. Why would anyone make this stuff up? Most people go about their lives and report back on stuff. I believe the reports.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes I do understand some of the reasons for certain forms of skepticism, alertness to moral panic in the press etc, but its fucking infuriating when applied sloppily as the default response to this sort of thing.
Personally this means I tend to always want more info, to get a better understanding of whats happening, before I comment at all. And victims should always be given the benefit of any doubt in the meantime.
Personally this means I tend to always want more info, to get a better understanding of whats happening, before I comment at all. And victims should always be given the benefit of any doubt in the meantime.
They’re not lying. Bizarre that it’s even a consideration.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
You don’t need to read back very far on this thread to see the energy being put into the “regretful women telling lies” explanation.
Which of course is a close relation to the mythology of common false accusations of rape and sexual assault.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
The wtf element makes it easy to unreasonably dismiss. As does the lack of plausible agents. That said, lots of incidents reported doesn’t mean it is being done “successfully”. It’s still sickening. Also hard to tell how many copycat attempts are happening - I’m not sure what to do with that. I’m sure the police will have analysts tracking certain channels where this shit is likely to be discussed.
I think it’s horrific. The evidence of how women have to conduct their lives simply to stay safe is diabolical. Everard followed the ‘rules’ and still got raped and murdered.
I don’t have these worries but it is making me think about them.
elbows
Well-Known Member
It probably wont seem real to some people until the substances involved are named. But its not hard to imagine some reticence towards publicising that info at this stage, on the occasions where it does become available to the authorities.
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8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Yeah, you’re totally correct of course.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
She did not 'get' raped and murdered, like it was something she did that caused it. She was raped and murdered by someone who took advantage of her being a lone woman.
Language is important here.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
I understand your reaction, but Magnus clearly didn’t mean that.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
It was a reminder that on this topic words matter. There is so much victim blaming, disbelief and dismissiveness that it is important to be accurate.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
I get how you feel. I just think a more charitable interpretation is due given the context.
'ended up' would have been better. But I most definitely wasn't victim blaming.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
For the record, I didn't think you were, but the language you used could certainly convey to a passing reader that you were.
seeformiles
Lost in the wood
The idea that the chances of being spiked are next to nil is a bit of a sweeping statement since even anecdotal evidence says otherwise. Just within my circle of friends, one was spiked with Rohypnol and gang raped (drugs identified, men sent down) and my friend’s 16 year old daughter was spiked while out with her mother drinking soft drinks (took her to hospital, drugs identified). I myself was spiked with 2 tabs of acid in a pint and once with smack in a joint - although that was more for someone’s “amusement” than any sexual motive.
The issue is the method of spiking as a print article I read at the weekend quoted several medical bods saying that to do this via needle would require a certain amount of specialist knowledge to get an accurate injection site, a powerful enough substance, a small enough needle and, even if those conditions were satisfied, much more prolonged contact than just a scratch (as has been reported by those reporting these assaults). They weren’t disputing the spiking - just the method of administration.
The issue is the method of spiking as a print article I read at the weekend quoted several medical bods saying that to do this via needle would require a certain amount of specialist knowledge to get an accurate injection site, a powerful enough substance, a small enough needle and, even if those conditions were satisfied, much more prolonged contact than just a scratch (as has been reported by those reporting these assaults). They weren’t disputing the spiking - just the method of administration.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
That's some lightning toxicology work going on there to determine that he was needle-spiked with a mix of Ketamine and Rohypnol overnight!
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