'Needle spiking' in UK nightclubs wtf?
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LDC
On est tous des pangolins
They don't even drink alcohol, so think anything like drugs is out of the question. Unless last night was the night they decided to have a drink for the first time.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Do you know which club? (Just wondering if itās one of the ones mentioned so far on thread).
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Did write the story (or what I know of it) here, but thought maybe it was too personal.
Anyway, summary is.... I'm highly skeptical they were even spiked by any needle or sharp thing, let alone drugged. (And not drink spiked in any way either.) Sounds like A&E didn't think it likely either. They're out and home now. But they and their friends are telling everyone it's happened.
Anyway, summary is.... I'm highly skeptical they were even spiked by any needle or sharp thing, let alone drugged. (And not drink spiked in any way either.) Sounds like A&E didn't think it likely either. They're out and home now. But they and their friends are telling everyone it's happened.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
I downloaded and have got through 70% of it
Itās fucking relentless and I have never heard of half of this online shit
Iāve edited as Iām not sure my post gives the book best service
A bit of an eye opener/educator just read it
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ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
I have absolutely no doubt there are pieces of shit out there who would very happily inject drugs into strangers, for various reasons that only make sense if you're a piece of shit. I base my belief on the proven fact that there are pieces of shit out there who do spike drinks, who rob and rape both men and women, and occasionally kill them. I am just doubting that very many have the necessary ability to carry it out. I might be wrong.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
There are also probably people out there who enjoy covertly jabbing things into people for shits n giggles in view of all the hype, even if it's just with a wooden toothpick. In the current climate, it must be terrifying to be jabbed by an unseen person in a nightclub and it's not surprising the victim feels out of sorts.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
How many confirmed cases are there of people having drugs injected into them in nightclubs?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
I don't think there have been any confirmed cases.
What do we know so far about reports of āspikingā with needles? - Full Fact
Police across the UK are investigating more than 50 reports of incidents involving some form of injection.
fullfact.org
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Apart from Carl Jonjo Morgan's nephew from Cardiff, obvs.I don't think there have been any confirmed cases.
What do we know so far about reports of āspikingā with needles? - Full Fact
Police across the UK are investigating more than 50 reports of incidents involving some form of injection.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Yes, there's lots of investigation across the country now. But I'd rather err on the side of believing anyone who reports a potential needle spiking incident until it's proven otherwise.
Women are often conditioned to think they won't be believed in so many circumstances (and indeed, that's often the case). So the least I can do is believe someone.
Women are often conditioned to think they won't be believed in so many circumstances (and indeed, that's often the case). So the least I can do is believe someone.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
Do you believe Carl Jonjo Morgan from Cardiff?
You cannot prove it otherwise if it did not happen. Basic scientific rigour
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I said I would believe it until proved otherwise. I've posted on this thread about the way women are not believed, dismissed, and I am not doing that to another woman.
And respectfully, you can't prove it didn't happen.
If a woman or indeed man has informed you of such occurrences then of course you must believe them. Until then all we have to go on is the Nuneaton Bungle
Well youāre no more likely to be shown proof that itās not happening than you are to be shown proof that aliens arenāt abducting people. You can look at the facts though, and see that out of all of these hospitalisations, not a single one has shown drugs to have been administered. Not a single person has been caught in the act of injecting someone or found in possession of a syringe, and no discarded syringes have been found. You might also ask why all of these attacks have resulted in invisible or tiny pin pricks, when injecting someone is actually quite difficult, especially through clothing and if theyāre moving around. Injections are often bloody painful, yet nobody seems to have pulled away when jabbed and torn their skin or broken a needle. Youād expect at least some of these types of assaults to be unsuccessful, yet thereāve been no reports of any failed attacks. Every one of them has been delivered with a bloodless and painless, medical precision, that a trained nurse (in clinical conditions) would be proud of; leaving no trace whatsoever, nor any victim with any recollection of the actual, highly invasive, spiking. Nobody has said to anyone āthat bloke just stuck a needle in meā.
Put yourself in the would-be assailantās shoes. Do you think you could inject someone in a bar without them or anyone else noticing, even if they were shit-faced?
Itās not unreasonable to consider that maybe this thing has fuelled itself and that people are now reporting having been jabbed in the genuine belief that thatās what happened, when the reality is something else.
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What's the main reason for your scepticism?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Short version is they fell over/slipped/went dizzy/freaked out (unclear why exactly) and banged their head. Friend called ambulance. Went to A&E. No mention of being spiked until their friend suggested it, then they saw a tiny red patch on their leg. Escalated. Now they and their friend (who vomitted, to me clearly drunk) are both saying they must have been needle spiked. I know them well. I'm not surprised by this turn of events.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
TopCat - why did you laugh at this post?
deeyo
hurled unheard to this world.
hi.
i agree with your critique of the article, it's not very good, and though it's published in 2007, data was collected in 2004 - so 17 yrs old. the 'discussion' is speculative & in parts provocative. there is no explanation given for the rather low percentage of testing.
the results, however, is consistent with other studies (few & far inbetween); there is one from the same time period from st thomas, london, where 75 of 78 patients presenting at the ed 'alleging they had consumed a spiked drink' had urine samples tested for drugs & found 'unexplained sedative drug exposure' in 2 patients (3%). it concludes:
'Use of sedative drugs to spike drinks may not be as common as reported in the mainstream media. A large number of study participants had serum ethanol concentrations associated with significant intoxication; the source (personal overāconsumption or deliberate drink spiking) is unclear.'
What's being used to spike your drink? Alleged spiked drink cases in inner city London - PMC
To determine the incidence and character of drink spiking in an urban population of patients within the UK presenting to an emergency department concerned they had consumed a deliberately contaminated drink. Prospective case series determining the ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
(patients presenting 'with an allegation of sexual assault' were referred to 'a dedicated clinical and forensic service' and not included in the study.)
there is an australian systematic review of the current evidence on drug facilitated sexual assault (dfsa) from 2017 by laura jane anderson et al:
A global epidemiological perspective on the toxicology of drug-facilitated sexual assault: A systematic review - PubMed
This comprehensive review suggests that alcohol intoxication combined with voluntary drug consumption presents the greatest risk factor for DFSA, despite populist perceptions that covert drink-spiking is a common occurrence. There is a need to develop policies that encourage early responders to...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
(link to abstract, full article paywalled)
there is some more recent articles that seems to show similar results; 'opportunistic' dfsa is the norm, 'proactive/predatory' dfsa seems to account for less than ten, probably even <5% of the investigated cases in most studies.
there is also an italian review from 2019, by f.p. busardo et al, that seems to have made a extremely thorough search of the litterature & institutional reports, which can be downloaded as a free pdf. that might be a good starting point if anyone really wants to dive deep into the subject.
Drug-facilitated sexual assaults (DFSA): a serious underestimated issue
OBJECTIVE: Drug-facilitated sexual assault (DFSA) is a nonconsensual sexual act in which the victim is incapacitated or unconscious due to the effects of
www.europeanreview.org
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
The post was from yesterday, but edited about 16 minutes ago, no idea what was there before, that TopCat reacted to, but it wasn't what you have quoted.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Interesting to hear that they thought it was the leg, again- came up a few times earlier in the thread. I suppose that's one way of doing it and not being seen.
Magnus McGinty
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Didnāt there used to be a timeout on editing for that reason? That not a thing any more?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
IIRC, it's 24 hours.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Pressed wrong like.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Thatās reasonable- allows for saying something silly when drunk, plus hangover time, reflection, regret, correction.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
Possibly Pre edit it was a bit sweary and not very coherent
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
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