Ministers target July 4th for reopening of England’s pubs and restaurants
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Just play the album the band is promoting on CD - it will sound better than live anyway
at least they don't pretend to be freehouses like spoons
One of the two Spoons in Swansea (the better of them for beer choice
) has, we're told, ended its lease a good few months prematurely (there's been scaffolding up outside it for almost the whole lockdown period, but we were not expecting the full shut-down until next year)There's loose gossip around here that a new and bigger Wetherspoons will replace it in the centre of town, but no premises for that seem to have been identified, so it'll take ages.
Even if Tim Martin's apparant policy of no new Wetherpoons projects until 2022 were to be relaxed for replacement places -- and I have doubts about that anyway.
At least the closure here of the better Spoons will make our loose decision (post-lockdown) to boycott Wetherspoons for the time being, a lot easier to maintain ...
Plus we'll really want to support our actual friends who run the independent places here**.
**When Mr Drakeford and the Welsh Government allow it, that is!
but also 
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beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Try telling that to the Birmingham Philharmonic...
Supine
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planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
It is tricky. FWIW Germany is also struggling with this. I have a friend who helps run a concert hall in Dusseldorf. Here's what she emailed me last week,
Here, things seem to be calming down, though in some states (like ours) restrictions are loosened far too quickly, if you ask me. For example, a few days ago indoor concerts were either forbidden or heavily restricted in numbers with strict social distancing measures in place. As of yesterday, we're allowed to fill every seat in our hall (800), merely on provision that we have names, addresses and phone number of visitors and know who sat where. The same goes for halls seating 2,000. You have to wear a face mask in shops, public transport, museums, in our hall's foyer, but are allowed to take it off while seated right next to a perfect stranger.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Some of the small brewers and pubs near me (Leeds) have done OK, or even well, they've adapted quickly doing home delivery, online brewery tours, collection etc. A good load of people I know really appreciate them now in a way they didn't before and they've been very clear they're going to stick with them now, buying all beer from them in the future via home delivery etc.
I think (uneducated-I-know-fuck-all-about-pub-economics guess) it that small places like that that have got some loyal customers will do OK, as will huge places like 'spoons that can close a few pubs and throw money at the others, but the ones that will suffer are the ones between that, ones that are pubs people just pop into, or ones that are just a bit meh and haven't really got any loyal users.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
I find the way they do it in Germany (an other European countries for all I know) way superior to how we carry on in pubs here.
Table service. Waiter keeps a tab. You pay for what you've had when you leave.
100% more civilised.
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Both have there place. An over busy bar when you have to queue to get a drink is a real pain. Likewise having to hang around and try and flag someone down when you could easily just walk up to the bar yourself is annoyance. I also really can't stand having to hang around when I've finished my last drink to get the bill and then your change.
Table service lends itself to settling in at one place for the evening like they do in places like Germany. Bar service is much better for crawls and visiting several places as is popular in the UK. I like the hybrid version in places like Poland.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Some pubs have always been open, tho they have had to enforce social distancing in a rather peculiar manner
Sheffield pub where drinkers hid in cupboards loses licence
The Pitsmoor Hotel in Sheffield was raided by police during the coronavirus lockdown on 24 April.
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Yossarian
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I'm looking forward to maybe drinking in a beer garden or whatever fairly soon, but from what's now known about coronavirus transmission, I doubt I'll be drinking inside a pub anytime before the end of the year, even if I do make it back to Britain - I don't know how the government that already made the country into the COVID capital of Europe can look at the figures from the US, where some states have been a lot more cautious about reopening than others, and some of those that weren't are seeing a massive resurgence in cases, and decide to do things Texas-style.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Belgium too. With the double-plus that you get to drink Belgian beer.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Aye, I would only go to a pub that had a massive beer garden with table service and be very near home for the lav. Would have to stick to 3 or 4 pints as well or risk using the pub bogs. Also any mnore than that and you might forget all the rules and start licking the bar
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Err?
We seem to be moving along the lines set by Spain & Italy, as per my post earlier today.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I agree that Poland does good bar. Pub crawls don't appeal at all any more. Neither does perching next to a wall on a busy Friday at a Wetherspoons, listening to something god-awful that you can't quite hear anyway over the din of a noisy crowd in a room without a single soft surface to cushion the echo.
I think I'm getting old.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I used to work in the West End in Piccadilly and we'd go to a local pub in Piccadilly/Haymarket sometimes - it was so much fun watching American tourists come into the pub, looking delighted by the trad decor and sitting down at a table and wait to be served. No one would tip them off and it often took a while before they twigged.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I will be going to a pub when they open. My guess is that they'll be pretty quiet at first, as shops have been. Going to arrange a 'welcome back to going out' night at a good restaurant too, as a treat. Got my eye on my favourite French restaurant. Just hope it's survived.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Traditional British hospitality.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I reckon they'll be busy as fuck where I live and there will be lots of fighting.
Yossarian
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Err?
We seem to be moving along the lines set by Spain & Italy, as per my post earlier today.
I think British drinking culture is probably closer to what you might find in Texas, minus the assault rifles and mechanical bulls, than in Italy - if people are going to be spending many hours sitting and talking in an enclosed, possibly poorly ventilated space, I doubt trying to stay 1 meter apart is going to be enough to stop transmission.
FridgeMagnet
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I used to go to pubs almost every day a few months ago but I can't see why I would bother now. I was unemployed and now I'm not; I could go in and chat to the staff and occasional randoms and now I can't. Even on the weekends when I might, say, go out and take some pictures then come back and decompress in the pub and edit them, I don't see why I would do that when it's more stressful being in the pub than just going home.
Also fuck giving my personal details to pub companies on entry. Highly secure and data protection aware organisations those.
Also fuck giving my personal details to pub companies on entry. Highly secure and data protection aware organisations those.
The 'personal details to pub companies on entry' thing bothers me a lot as well, and that's yet another reason to avoid Wetherspoons, which will become the busiest ones anyway.
However, in town here, we'll initially just aim for the independent places** whose landlords know us anyway and we know them.
**(no more than six or so, sadly, and that's Swansea and Mumbles. And not all of them have enough outside space ..... we await the Welsh rules as and when they're announced!)
However, in town here, we'll initially just aim for the independent places** whose landlords know us anyway and we know them.
**(no more than six or so, sadly, and that's Swansea and Mumbles. And not all of them have enough outside space ..... we await the Welsh rules as and when they're announced!)
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
There is a pub down an alley near work that has been serving from a hatch for a couple of weeks now. The alleyway was rammed last night despite useless signs up telling everyone to stay 2m apart
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
I felt very uneasy just walking through the crowd never mind standing in it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Eat a couple of kippers before leaving the house and the crowd will part like the red sea
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How often do you think people will give correct details?
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
About giving your contact details to the pub...I get that people are normally quite rightly reluctant to do this but surely in this instance, the point is so you can be contacted if there is an outbreak. If you came down with it, you could phone the pub you've been to and they could contact everyone who was there when you were. Is that not better than pissing about giving false details?
I don't get this attitude in the current climate.
I don't get this attitude in the current climate.
Numbers
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Is that opposite Borough Market?
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