josef1878 2.0
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No offence to you either or anybody else intended at all. The six and half hour gap between my negative LTF and positive PCR suggests to me that on the spot testing unless it's PCR is pointless.
Do you support pubs and venues demanding NHS Covid 'passports' (with the option to test on the door)?
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josef1878 2.0
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My positive LFT had 2 bright red lines in seconds. Confirmed by PCR
scifisam
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Well, yeah? Wouldn't that be the point? Unless you think queuing up is the same as being in a venue.
hitmouse
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Tbf, given the situation around omicron and vaccinated people getting infected, I think there is an argument to be made for vaccination record and LFTs, at least in the very short term. Not saying I would be super keen on it, but I'd rather see that than just closing everything. But then again, the venn diagram of "things I reckon you can make a decent argument for" and "things that are actually going to happen" doesn't usually overlap that much.
l'Otters
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that may be so, doesn’t make it ok to de facto exclude them.
eg. they might not be able to go to events independently but enjoy them when supported by a companion or carer.
plenty of venues offer free +1 tickets for people with disabilities to bring a carer for this reason.
scifisam
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I'm disabled. I know about free carers, thanks. I don't think you're actually reading what I wrote.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Poll doesn't have an, 'I don't support pubs and venues being open at all' option. If they are open any restrictions will be so weak, easily evaded and indifferently enforced as to be not worth bothering with at all. And there's the false sense of security thing as well.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
The idea that we shouldn't do some short term public effective health measures (assuming these are effective as I don't think it's as clear as that) because of a tiny number of people that can't follow them is ridiculous imo I'm afraid. There's always going to be some people that have access problems with some of the restrictions unfortunately, and they can be minimized but not eliminated, but the benefits to the bulk of the population is worth it.
The numbers of people that can't be vaccinated for medical reasons and haven't had covid and can't get a written medical exemption from doing an LFT and want to go to a massive gig must be about zero.
stdP
One Swiss dinosaur in Polly Gosling's anorak hood
I'm triple jabbed but I think vaccine passports are a stupid idea and I'm against them personally. A test at the door is a far more sensible option if you're trying to stop transmission, less so if you're wanting frictionless trade (if a place has someone on the door it's automatically relegated to the bottom of the list usually, and if they're asking for ID then it's a flat no as I don't carry any in any case). But at this stage in the game it would take a christmas miracle to stop the spread of omicron variants.
I've not been out in brixton for yonks, but that's depressing news
I've not been out in brixton for yonks, but that's depressing news
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Tbh I think a test on the door is a horrible idea, really don't fancy a stranger getting up in my nose/mouth to go to a pub or having to do it myself then and there tbh, there might be all sorts of reasons why it's not remotely practical. I know people are against vaccine passports but I honestly think it's the least bad option, privacy is basically dead in the west anyway unfortunately. We can't be sticking swabs up people's noses to get into pubs indefinitely lol
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Does anywhere else require LFTs to get into pubs, etc.? Other places that have brought in requirements to show proof of vaccination seem to have been a bit more open about admitting that part of the goal is to boost vaccination rates by making life more difficult for anti-vaxxers.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, thinking on it I agree with the no LFT thing, it's just not workable.
I'm erring towards being in favour of either completely closing places with full financial support, access with vaccine passport only (fuck the willingly unvaccinated), or fully open to all. All depending on what the evidence shows is the most effective given the current infection and hospitalization levels.
I'm erring towards being in favour of either completely closing places with full financial support, access with vaccine passport only (fuck the willingly unvaccinated), or fully open to all. All depending on what the evidence shows is the most effective given the current infection and hospitalization levels.
hitmouse
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LFT on the door sounds pretty unworkable/very last resort option, I was thinking more of getting people to take an LFT earlier that day, submit their negative report, then show proof of the submitted report. Which has its flaws (people can lie, false negatives exist), but I'm not seeing any option that doesn't have flaws. And combining an LFT report with proof of vaccination would hopefully weed out a fair share of the hardcore ideologically committed dickheads who'd be most likely to deliberately submit a false report. LFT plus vaccination proof would definitely be a heavy-handed route to go down, but it's a bit less heavy-handed than just closing everywhere?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Yeah, it would be more heavy handed than full closure for sure. Just not sure the extra hassle of an LFT would on balance be worth it if the fully open could be done with less people, better ventilation, proof of vaccination, good track and trace afterwards, etc. instead. To some extent the self policing thing is much better for these large events as people do on some level vote with their feet and stop going. I dunno though tbh, I'm not very sure either way on this topic so should probably shut up!
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Yep. Everybody I know who has had positive LFT had those lines within 30 seconds tops.
Not sure why this 30 minute thing is a...thing.
elbows
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Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland at least have slightly more appropriate ideas given the current situation.
\Scotland's nightclubs to close for three weeks from 27 December
\Scotland's nightclubs to close for three weeks from 27 December
scifisam
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The thirty minute thing isn't how long you're supposed to wait, it's the maximum time you should wait. After that it's likely to show a false positive.
Just seems potentially fraught. Especially for ticketed events.
Personally the least hassle might be the vaccine passport but I've still got to set it up, messing around with passport and photos.
I think all the options being proposed just annoy me in some way TBH.
scifisam
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Just seems potentially fraught. Especially for ticketed events.
Personally the least hassle might be the vaccine passport but I've still got to set it up, messing around with passport and photos.
I think all the options being proposed just annoy me in some way TBH.
Eh? You don't need photos.
Yeah, they are all annoying options. There aren't any good ones available
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
This was my first thought too, test before leaving, at home, show text/email at the door. Yes, it'd be open to fraud/false negative - but, well, seems to be a good compromise. Given that I got covid despite being triple vaxxed, I don't see much point in showing proof of vaccination, although being vaccinated does reduce the severity of covid and vaccinated people are less contagious, and for shorter periods. BUT this would make no difference if, on the day, they had covid. So, I think LFT would be the crucial thing here?
hitmouse
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I suppose the other thing is that it feels like we're discussing this in a bit of a one-size-fits-all manner, whereas in practice I suppose the measures that you'd want to put in place to go down the Bricklayers' Arms might be a bit different than the procedure you'd want to use for Coldplay at Wembley Stadium or something?
Eh? You don't need photos.
Yeah, they are all annoying options. There aren't any good ones available
It asks for a photo of photo ID. I have to take clear pictures of my passport.
hitmouse
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Don't forget to send the £100 fee to hitmouse@paypal.com, that's a very important part of the process. Nah, you shouldn't need to do that, it asks me to do that to be able to access my records but you should be able to access the covid passport for domestic purposes without completing that step? Unless you want it for international travel, I think that might be stricter?
The NHS app says it needs it to verify my identity. There's some other fangled way of signing up for GP online services, getting a code and something from them but I CBA trying to get through to the GP and all that.
Maybe it's changed for new users. I've heard other people have to do this photo thing as well.
