Do you support pubs and venues demanding NHS Covid 'passports' (with the option to test on the door)?

[farmerbarleymow]

Whose exempt from taking a test?

People who don't have noses.

 

[Chilli.s]

I don't like the idea but out of respect for the people who have to work in places like that I think it is sensible and necessary to protect their health in their workplace.

 

[mx wcfc]

testing on the door is clearly unworkable. never going to happen.

I went to a gathering in lockdown last summer (we were all camping in a field, and people played music), where we all had to do an LFT, supervised by a nurse, before being allowed in.

It worked.

That said, I agree it's not going to work for pubs.

I hate to say it, but I agree with covid passports. I'm avoiding pubs at the moment, so as not to ruin xmas for the family. If I could be certain that everyone in the pub was properly vaxxed and boosted, I'd be more likely to go, tbh. (and yes I know, easily transmissable, symptom free spreaders, etc etc - just trying to reach a manageable balance)

 

[StoneRoad]

Option 2.

The idea of doing lfts "on the door" would [possibly?] make the result harder to fake.
But it would make queue management an absolute nightmare.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Whose exempt from taking a test?

Some of the loons will tell you they are

 

[marty21]

My local pub has been pretty empty when I've been in this week (mostly between 5 and 7) which isn't usual for Christmas week, so people are clearly reluctant to go out atm. So it could handle testing or passports at the moment as it wouldn't take long to process the reduced punters who are going in.

I'm undecided on testing/passport entry tbh, I'm fully vaccinated so it wouldn't impact on me if it was introduced but feel uncomfortable about it tbh.

 

[platinumsage]

A big faff that won’t make the slightest bit of difference to the spread of omicron, but will give people the notion they’re in COVID-safe zones when they’re not.

 

[keybored]

Proof of vaccination for the vaccinated, LFT test for those unable to get vaccinated, table outside by the bins for the anti-vaxxers.

Agreed, with slight modification.

 

[DaveCinzano]

People who don't have noses.

You've met my dog then

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

There's a great little brewery round here that sells beer to take away and to drink on the premises, outdoors, indoors and semi-outdoors. The loos are semi-outdoors. In good weather (e.g tomorrow afternoon) it should be fine to have a couple of pints outside. You can order outside via a hatch too. Should you have to test to go to the loo? There will be lots of places like that around the country.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Option 2.

The idea of doing lfts "on the door" would [possibly?] make the result harder to fake.
But it would make queue management an absolute nightmare.

Making Britain Great again

 

[bimble]

Proof of vaccination could have worked when delta was the problem, but in the omicron era it is pointless, at least until the app is updated to include booster jabs.

I’ve been thinking that it works but only to protect the unvaccinated. If they can’t mingle they’re less likely to end up in hospital. That’s the only way ‘vaccine passports’ can work now. It’s a pretty good function but it’s not what we were thinking before.

 

[Griff]

Happy to take a test.

 

[scifisam]

A big faff that won’t make the slightest bit of difference to the spread of omicron, but will give people the notion they’re in COVID-safe zones when they’re not.

Why wouldn't they make any difference?

 

[IC3D]

Its ridiculous as Christmas gatherings have clearly shown that vaccinated people are infectious. Ditto for flights and travel.
I think it will work for those that wrongly want to feel they are with responsable people.

 

[Cloo]

I'm not too bothered personally - but I can't see it'll be that useful. Presumably lots of places (like a chain that rhymes with 'Spetherwoons') won't enforce it; I don't see anyone who didn't want to get the jab will get one on account of this, and I'm not sure how much difference it makes to safety given vaccines don't prevent transmission, so it seems you're probably talking about not removing that many people from the equation overall. TBH, unvaxxed people are mainly a danger to themselves going to crowded places, as they're the ones going to hospital. Mind you, I suppose you could say it may save the NHS a bit of load by keeping higher-risk people out of higher risk places.

 

[Ax^]

trying to think if the heat gun might be the best option if you have security coked up fat torys who never get in

 

[IC3D]

Oh and it's totally unrealistic that it will be enforced in a million years

 

[bimble]

I'm not too bothered personally - but I can't see it'll be that useful. Presumably lots of places (like a chain that rhymes with 'Spetherwoons') won't enforce it; I don't see anyone who didn't want to get the jab will get one on account of this, and I'm not sure how much difference it makes to safety given vaccines don't prevent transmission, so it seems you're probably talking about not removing that many people from the equation overall. TBH, unvaxxed people are mainly a danger to themselves going to crowded places, as they're the ones going to hospital. Mind you, I suppose you could say it may save the NHS a bit of load by keeping higher-risk people out of higher risk places.

Yeah this. This is the only way it would be useful, by helping keep the unvaccinated out of hospital. Which is good for everyone.

 

[editor]

only way it could work is you were paying security to work the doors all the time


so bored young kid earning min wage is going to put up with pissed up anti vaxxers

fuck that, plus depending on the pub might not be safe

Most venues around here already have security on the doors...

 

[editor]

Option 2.

The idea of doing lfts "on the door" would [possibly?] make the result harder to fake.
But it would make queue management an absolute nightmare.

I think realistically very very few people would be prepared to do a LFT on the door, which may act as a filer for the anti vaxx mob.

 

[editor]

Great to see Bongo making new friends

 

[Yossarian]

There are similar policies in effect in a lot of other places and they haven't turned out to be unenforceable - New York City started requiring proof of vaccination to get into bars, restaurants etc. back in August.

 

[Ax^]

Most venues around here already have security on the doors...

aye sorry non brixton based poster, most pubs around west london don't have doormen


same back home for me really in the north side of dublin we have security on the doors even before covid on pubs that deserves it


saying that trying to bring this shit in around the country would tend to be ignored by freeholders anyway

 

[hitmouse]

Its ridiculous as Christmas gatherings have clearly shown that vaccinated people are infectious. Ditto for flights and travel.
I think it will work for those that wrongly want to feel they are with responsable people.

What do you think of the "proof of a negative LFT from that day" proposal? Like, obv it's not 100% waterproof cos dicks can lie about it, but it seems sensible enough to me?

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

What do you think of the "proof of a negative LFT from that day" proposal? Like, obv it's not 100% waterproof cos dicks can lie about it, but it seems sensible enough to me?

Turn it into a feature:
"Need to take an LFT today?
Why not do it on the way into the gig we are putting on tonight!"

This obviously needs careful weighing of the financial side of things.

 

[mx wcfc]

Turn it into a feature:
"Need to take an LFT today?
Why not do it on the way into the gig we are putting on tonight!"

This obviously needs careful weighing of the financial side of things.

I know someone who popped into Boots on the way to a gig to get a test and do it before a gig.

(It was negative and the venue didn't check when we got there, but fair play)

 

[josef1878 2.0]

I did a negative LFT at 8am and had a positive 2.30 same afternoon as better half had tested positive LFT in the morning. Within a few days about 20 people we had been in contact with tested positive. Some before we had. Every one of them had followed 'current guidance'. This was mid November and I'm not sure there is an on the spot way of getting any certainty of safety atm. Unless you stay at home indefinitely.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

I did a negative LFT at 8am and had a positive 2.30 same afternoon as better half had tested positive LFT in the morning. Within a few days about 20 people we had been in contact with tested positive. Some before we had. Every one of them had followed 'current guidance'. This was mid November and I'm not sure there is an on the spot way of getting any certainty of safety atm. Unless you stay at home indefinitely.

I think this is about spreading more than catching,
at this point you can be quite sure that if you completely wrap yourself in cling film you will not be spreading the disease if you have it
obviously you will die of asphyxia shortly thereafter and definitely not enjoy whatever the event was you went to.
But hey

 

[Griff]

There are similar policies in effect in a lot of other places and they haven't turned out to be unenforceable - New York City started requiring proof of vaccination to get into bars, restaurants etc. back in August.

Think we've established tests mean more on the day than vaccination status.