Do you support pubs and venues demanding NHS Covid 'passports' (with the option to test on the door)?

[josef1878 2.0]

I think this is about spreading more than catching,
at this point you can be quite sure that if you completely wrap yourself in cling film you will not be spreading the disease if you have it
obviously you will die of asphyxia shortly thereafter and definitely not enjoy whatever the event was you went to.
But hey

What?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Well given I'm triple jabbed I couldn't give a frig really. Although I tend not to go in venues anyway when cases are high.

 

[josef1878 2.0]

Think we've established tests mean more on the day than vaccination status.

Unless it's a PCR I would argue not. I followed work guidance and had a positive PCR in the afternoon I tested negative in the morning. 9 positives at work came shortly after me after 4 weeks with zero positives at work.

 

[Griff]

Unless it's a PCR I would argue not. I followed work guidance and had a positive PCR in the afternoon I tested negative in the morning. 9 positives at work came shortly after me after 4 weeks with zero positives at work.

Well we may as well just sit at fucking home watching Netflix for the rest of our lives then to save the NHS getting over-run as we don't know who is sick and who is well between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

What a shit place we've got to.

No offence to you, mind.

 

[l'Otters]

Given LFTs have a 50/50 false negative rate, if you had 200 people in a venue who all had a negative LFT on entry what are the chances some of them have covid?

 

[l'Otters]

I’m opposed to vaccine passports, ID checks in general, and vaccine mandates in general.

 

[Sue]

Given LFTs have a 50/50 false negative rate, if you had 200 people in a venue who all had a negative LFT on entry what are the chances some of them have covid?

50/50 false negative rate? Have you a source for that?

 

[mx wcfc]

I’m opposed to vaccine passports, ID checks in general, and vaccine mandates in general.

I get what you mean. clearly ID checks are a bad thing.

my daughter and everyone vaguely in her generation has to show ID already to prove they are over 18 whenever they go out.

It it doesn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

 

[Griff]

Given LFTs have a 50/50 false negative rate, if you had 200 people in a venue who all had a negative LFT on entry what are the chances some of them have covid?

I did see an independant statiician clip on YouTube recently speaking about the number of false positives reported over the past year, but that's going off topic.

I answer to your question, well that's a risk you either take or you don't.

Bit like going to the shops or using public transport or living normally.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

What?

It is the only way to keep other safe

e2a: on 2nd bottle of wine so plaese apply the sarcasm/irony/WTF is going on filter on any of my posts

 

[l'Otters]

There's a great little brewery round here that sells beer to take away and to drink on the premises, outdoors, indoors and semi-outdoors. The loos are semi-outdoors. In good weather (e.g tomorrow afternoon) it should be fine to have a couple of pints outside. You can order outside via a hatch too. Should you have to test to go to the loo? There will be lots of places like that around the country.

Should put a well sealing ffp2 mask on to go to the loo as a minimum.

 

[Clair De Lune]

I think they give a false sense of security and are an economic tool rather than a safety measure.

 

[fishfinger]

This is the best way:

 

[l'Otters]

Whose exempt from taking a test?

Hmm I guess some of the medical exemptions from wearing a mask would easily apply to taking a test - sensory processing issues, PTSD, that sort of thing.

 

[l'Otters]

50/50 false negative rate? Have you a source for that?

Not off the top of my head no, would have to figure out which week’s indie sage had an explainer about them in the section at the start where Christina Pagel shows all the charts.

 

[l'Otters]

Not really, no. An LFT on the door for everyone regardless of vaccination status is probably the only effective way to do it. That'd be effective and the safest option - assuming that safeness was paramount. Of course, it is a little impractical. Where do all the people wait their 15 minutes for the result for a start?

LFT on the door is because Omicron can develop in hours - so a test in the morning could be different in the evening.

As we're seeing, vaccination status doesn't tell you anything about infectiousness. Annoyingly.

to those points about timing, & transmission post vaccination.

About waiting those 15 mins - idk, remember when the smoking ban first came in and it seemed like it’d be impossible to adapt the spaces to make it work for loads of venues? Maybe it’s just a matter of time and rearranging the spaces. Altho I guess it’d be less clear cut how worthwhile that investment would be, given we’re hoping this will pass, but the smoking ban was unlikely to be reversed.

 

[l'Otters]

I did see an independant statiician clip on YouTube recently speaking about the number of false positives reported over the past year, but that's going off topic.

I answer to your question, well that's a risk you either take or you don't.

Bit like going to the shops or using public transport or living normally.

Doesn’t answer the point of the poll though. But then I’ve never seen you post anything but utter shite where covid is concerned so dunno why I’m surprised- or why I’m bothering to reply for that matter…

 

[scifisam]

Hmm I guess some of the medical exemptions from wearing a mask would easily apply to taking a test - sensory processing issues, PTSD, that sort of thing.

I think it's vanishingly unlikely that someone who was unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons, and also had issues with LFTs, would be going out to social venues with lots of strangers during a pandemic. The reasons that would prevent them from taking either one of those steps would also mean they wouldn't be going to to the pub.

 

[l'Otters]

I get what you mean. clearly ID checks are a bad thing.

my daughter and everyone vaguely in her generation has to show ID already to prove they are over 18 whenever they go out.

It it doesn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Just because your kids show ID because they’re young and haven’t found better places to go to get drunk of a Saturday night, doesn’t mean we should all accept ID cards for everyday life.

 

[scifisam]

to those points about timing, & transmission post vaccination.

About waiting those 15 mins - idk, remember when the smoking ban first came in and it seemed like it’d be impossible to adapt the spaces to make it work for loads of venues? Maybe it’s just a matter of time and rearranging the spaces. Altho I guess it’d be less clear cut how worthwhile that investment would be, given we’re hoping this will pass, but the smoking ban was unlikely to be reversed.

TBF the smoking ban did lead to loads of pubs closing. There were other factors, but this was one of them.

 

[l'Otters]

Personally - seems unlikely that I’d get it together to do a test on the day before going to a gig or pub, I procrastinate over whether to go and then we once I’ve decided (presuming entropy didn’t win) struggle to get my shit together as it is.

Triple vaccinated also but wouldn’t do me any good on a personal level as I wouldn’t sign up for the pass, and don’t see the point of it given we can still transmit it. I think measures which give a false sense of security are worse than none tbh.

 

[l'Otters]

I think it's vanishingly unlikely that someone who was unable to have the vaccine for medical reasons, and also had issues with LFTs, would be going out to social venues with lots of strangers during a pandemic. The reasons that would prevent them from taking either one of those steps would also mean they wouldn't be going to to the pub.

Maybe, I dunno; can already think of one person I know who struggles with masks due to autism, finds the tests very difficult to do, and likes going to gigs & clubs.
They’re vaccinated - but I don’t think that would help much at this stage, if the aim is to screen ppl for asymptomatic covid transmission.

Personally I don’t know if I ever do the test swab right. Pretty sure I make a better stab at it sat at home vs in a noisy hectic testing centre.

 

[Griff]

Doesn’t answer the point of the poll though. But then I’ve never seen you post anything but utter shite where covid is concerned so dunno why I’m surprised- or why I’m bothering to reply for that matter…

Well if the 50/50 (in your opinion) doesn't count or is too much of a risk for you, stay at home, as you seem to think 100 people out of 200 in a venue 'may have Covid'.

And you think I talk shite!

 

[josef1878 2.0]

It is the only way to keep other safe

e2a: on 2nd bottle of wine so plaese apply the sarcasm/irony/WTF is going on filter on any of my posts

Thank you for that I shall Enjoy!

 

[l'Otters]

Well if the 50/50 (in your opinion) doesn't count or is too much of a risk for you, stay at home, as you seem to think 100 people out of 200 in a venue 'may have Covid'.

And you think I talk shite!

Not what I said. But you carry on with yourself.

 

[8ball]

On reading some of this thread, I think I have changed my mind and now support all large venues running mandatory courses in statistics.

 

[Griff]

Not what I said. But you carry on with yourself.

OK, bit drunk and may have exaggerated my reply, but my point stands. At what point do you accept a risk? Especially as you've said you're all jabbed up.

 

[xenon]

No to any of it. The vaccines don’t stop people spreading it. If I had to choose, LFT on the door then.Because there are lots of us who can’t do an LFT themselves. I don’t mean shoving a swab up your nose, I mean adding it to the solution and reading the result.

 

[xenon]

Also if you’re queueing up and you get the test and it’s positive. Oh dear Whoops! sorry everyone in the queue I’m going home then.

 

[scifisam]

Maybe, I dunno; can already think of one person I know who struggles with masks due to autism, finds the tests very difficult to do, and likes going to gigs & clubs.
They’re vaccinated - but I don’t think that would help much at this stage, if the aim is to screen ppl for asymptomatic covid transmission.

Personally I don’t know if I ever do the test swab right. Pretty sure I make a better stab at it sat at home vs in a noisy hectic testing centre.

Yes, masks and LFTS (esp in public) can be very difficult for NNT people. But, like you said, the people you're thinking of are vaccinated. They'd be allowed in. It's vaccination record or LFTs. The aim isn't perfection, it's doing the best we can.

The venn diagram of people who can't be vaccinated and also can't take LFTs for mental health reasons > people who want to go to venues with lots of strangers would have basically be two entirely separate circles.