Mrs Miggins
Eternal
That's going to encourage people to give false details isn't it?
Ministers target July 4th for reopening of England’s pubs and restaurants
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PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
If only we had ID cards 
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Jesus that's fighting talk round here
Well, it used to be. Maybe we should have an updated poll.
Imagine vague guidelines issued by a lying government making people lie?That's going to encourage people to give false details isn't it?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
tbh (and I know there are arguments against this) that's why imo a more sensible approach to track and trace is to offer everyone traced an immediate test and allow them to go about their business if it comes back negative. I know that's not perfect as it will potentially miss some cases, but we can't get perfect cos of people's behaviour and there is always going to be a trade-off between maximising thoroughness and maximising compliance.That's going to encourage people to give false details isn't it?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Still against. ID cards aren't just for Covid. They're for life. Not like they would have saved lives up to this point anyway.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
You can definitely lie about those.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, and everyone else sets up their own hotspot.
Except me, because my outdoor wi fi extender reaches to the pub.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
In the Spoons I visit biannually to see my bezzer, I can get on the Wilko's wifi
That's going to encourage people to give false details isn't it?
I hadn't quite considered this. Pub of 30 or so people. One person gets Covid19 and everyone has to self isolate for 14 days? Which also means the pub closes assuming the landlady was working at the time.
I'm still not sure exactly how the contac tracers identify themselves as legit. I would have thought with a unique code you could look up online ther and then. If not, you can see the potential for mischief, people trying to get places closed they have a grievance with. Developers hiring covid19 infected people to go into pubs on prime real estate...
I need to turn the internet off.
souljacker
innit
Either that or Bill Oddie, Brian Damage and Harry T Bastard drink regularly in my local.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
No, that really is Bill Oddie
It was a deliberately low estimate.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The proverbial 'swift half'.
When you need a drink and get asked for your details in the pub...
"My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife."
"My name is Maximus Decimus Meridius, Commander of the Armies of the North, General of the Felix Legions, loyal servant to the true emperor, Marcus Aurelius. Father to a murdered son, husband to a murdered wife."
Oh god. The intellectual pub bore. Of all the barflys that one is the worst. He's so much better and above the rest of the pissheads who are slowly drowning themselves because he went to Portsmouth Poly in 1986 or something.
Yossarian
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The states may not provide any exact parallels to Britain, but the state-by-state approach to reopening has provided a lot of examples, some of them cautionary ones, about what to expect under different models of reopening - only around six states have had higher coronavirus death rates than the UK, I'm not sure if any of them apart from Louisiana have reopened bars yet.
clicker
nanook rubs it....
I think the 'signing in to' a pub is lip service and problematic. So will people need to sign out when they leave the pub too? Otherwise who do the track and trace people contact?
Scenario...I test positive for cv and remember I went into the pub a week ago . Who do I tell this to? Do they then 'get' the pubs list of names for that day (how) and contact all or just the ones that visited at the same time as me? Which is why you'd need a 'signing out' time too? Unlikely to work in a big, busy pub. Once in the pub you can only leave your table to go to the toilet with a covid toilet helper person??? No wandering over and chatting to x y or z.
So basically, sign in, drink for 2 hours, don't mingle or wander about, sign out, go home. Then hope you don't get a phone call to say you need to isolate for 2 weeks? Sorry, there isn't a beer garden big enough to make that sound even remotely enjoyable.
Scenario...I test positive for cv and remember I went into the pub a week ago . Who do I tell this to? Do they then 'get' the pubs list of names for that day (how) and contact all or just the ones that visited at the same time as me? Which is why you'd need a 'signing out' time too? Unlikely to work in a big, busy pub. Once in the pub you can only leave your table to go to the toilet with a covid toilet helper person??? No wandering over and chatting to x y or z.
So basically, sign in, drink for 2 hours, don't mingle or wander about, sign out, go home. Then hope you don't get a phone call to say you need to isolate for 2 weeks? Sorry, there isn't a beer garden big enough to make that sound even remotely enjoyable.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
How fucked up things were isn't the measure, though. It is where we are now that counts, and infection levels have been falling steadily across the country for more than a month. The UK of course made a total mess of everything. But that's gone now. It's not really all that relevant in the decisions about what to do now.
Comparisons with us states reopening with infection levels still rising aren't really instructive. Comparisons with European states reopening with infection levels falling are far more relevant. And those examples are surely sources of optimism.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Why are you quoting sensationalist rubbish from the mail? Europe taken as a whole is a source of optimism. Even Germany is a source of optimism - there is every sign that that incident is coming under control. The road has bumps on it. There will no doubt be more localised outbreaks. That's not a reason to stay locked down for ever.
Anyone know if it will be left up to the breweries / free houses how these rules are implemented?
The 2 hour limit and escorted to the bogs stuff Green King are talking about. Is that industry wide. and why the latter? Going to be hard enough for staff but having to break off serving every time someone wants a piss, is slightly ridiculous.
The 2 hour limit and escorted to the bogs stuff Green King are talking about. Is that industry wide. and why the latter? Going to be hard enough for staff but having to break off serving every time someone wants a piss, is slightly ridiculous.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you can't see a goalpost without moving it
and you're 'it's all alright now' seems to me rather premature
e2a: i see you like blaming the messenger when you can't deny the message. how's the bbc suit you these days?
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it is up to the pubs how it's implemented.
Pickman's model
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klang
klang
my local corner shop usually politely asks me to leave after three hours.
I think one thing you need to consider is that no-one really knows how this is going to work, how the drinkers are going to behave, or how heavy the enforcement is going to be. So I imagine a lot of places will be going for belt and braces at first, and then changing their procedures depending on how things shake out.
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