Ministers target July 4th for reopening of England’s pubs and restaurants

[Teaboy]

With such a long list you'd got to figure there is a better than fair chance the virus will find its way onto at least some of the oil rigs,

 

[elbows]

And the contact tracing itself will yield valuable data about how the infection is spreading, and sometimes that data will tell you that something is such a concern that broader draconian measures are needed to bring that aspect under control. So in this latter scenario, the contact tracing doesnt end up being a simple alternative to other measures, its the thing that ends up telling us that the other measures, to eliminate that particular vector of transmission, are required.

Due to the new restrictions Aberdeen now counts as an example of what I was trying to describe in that post last Saturday.

 

[ddraig]

In a pub in Cardiff, no signage or masks, people getting too close, within a foot!

There is hand sanitiser etc and you can order from table but can still go to bar

Not sure how I feel about it after being cautious elsewhere

 

[cyril_smear]

In a pub in Cardiff, no signage or masks, people getting too close, within a foot!

There is hand sanitiser etc and you can order from table but can still go to bar

Not sure how I feel about it after being cautious elsewhere

Lots of people are past caring since Dominic Cummings went on his adventure to Durham. That's the impression I get any how.

 

[elbows]

Pubs may have to shut to allow schools to safely reopen if the NHS Test and Trace system is not "fixed urgently", the Greater Manchester mayor has said.

Only 53% of people in contact with a coronavirus carrier have been traced in the area, according to data.

Mayor Andy Burnham said: "There is a growing amount of evidence that pubs are one of the main places where this virus spreads."

Coronavirus: Fix contact tracing or shut pubs, Mayor Andy Burnham says

Greater Manchester's mayor says the Covid test-and-trace system needs to be "fixed urgently".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[cupid_stunt]

Coronavirus: Fix contact tracing or shut pubs, Mayor Andy Burnham says

Greater Manchester's mayor says the Covid test-and-trace system needs to be "fixed urgently".

www.bbc.co.uk

That's ironic coming from him, on the day Manchester was going into its second 'lock-down', he was interviewed on TV saying 'some' pubs were not sticking to the rules, and he would ensure enforcement.

Perhaps he should pull his finger out & get on with it, instead of playing at politics.

 

[elbows]

If the contact tracing isnt good enough then pubs sticking to the rules isnt good enough either. There is a difference between closing pubs that dont stick to various rules, and having to close all pubs because the general effect of pubs on virus transmission turns out to be incompatible with the amount of virus spread the rest of the system can cope with.

 

[killer b]

If the pubs are still busy in Manchester, then the rules aren't being stuck to, let's be honest - no-one's going to the boozer to hang out with the same people they've been stuck at home with for the last 5 months.

 

[killer b]

TBH I think having semi-lockdowns without closing the pubs is really shit for a load of reasons - partly because it sends out a very confused message about what's allowed and what isn't, and also because it throws the pubs to the wolves - there was local restrictions announced in my city (Preston) on Friday, and my mate's formerly fairly busy pubs have been dead all weekend.

 

[elbows]

If the pubs are still busy in Manchester, then the rules aren't being stuck to, let's be honest - no-one's going to the boozer to hang out with the same people they've been stuck at home with for the last 5 months.

Of all the rules the government has appealed for people to respect in this pandemic so far, the obvious disparity between what peoples are being asked to do with multi-household contact distancing in that region, and the behaviour that is to be expected in the various places that have been allowed to remain open must rank highly on the absurdometer.

The economic reasons for reopening pubs and not then u-turning and closing them at the first opportunity is there for all to see. Its not surprising that they have made this choice nationally, but it strains their credibility further when they've avoided doing it in the latest regional lockdowns so far. It seems they only did it in Leicester because of the timing of that one, pubs reopening was one of the things that was about to happen in the next phase back then and so delaying that phase there meant not reopening the pubs. But when it came to the later regional lockdowns, they've made themselves look silly by not taking this obvious step.

I suppose it will come down to the numbers in the north wests affected areas as to what happens next. If the current measures make a difference, maybe they will get away with keeping the pubs open there. So far the numbers havent been good though, and if things carry on like that then I think its only a matter of time before they take this step and close pubs there.

edit - I was writing this while you made your last posts so some of what I've said is redundant.

 

[elbows]

TBH I think having semi-lockdowns without closing the pubs is really shit for a load of reasons - partly because it sends out a very confused message about what's allowed and what isn't, and also because it throws the pubs to the wolves - there was local restrictions announced in my city (Preston) on Friday, and my mate's formerly fairly busy pubs have been dead all weekend.

I think there will be a lot more of this sort of angle to come. Because with the oversimplified picture the 'aniti-lockdown' brigade could point to economic reasons for reopening stuff, without dwelling on the fact that the economics of this are not of the variety that would save everyone, far from it. The dramatic economic life support measures necessary during a full lockdown were the closest we came to actually protecting 'everyone'. As opposed to the post-lockdown economics which are actually more about cutting off the support for businesses that are 'no longer viable' and jobs that are 'no longer productive', as put fairly bluntly by the bank of england the other day. Reopening things in an unsustainable manner without the public having confidence in resuming such activities is a part of this gloomy picture, and its been some time since the government produced billions of genuinely new funding that seemed appropriate for the magnitude of the situation.

As for improving the test & trace system, I dont really blame the likes of Burnham for focussing on this aspect. But as I said earlier and Aberdeen has been demonstrating, sometimes that system wont let you keep things open anyway, its not always an alternative to closing pubs, it can be the source of data that indicates such venues must close.

 

[elbows]

SInce I already brought up Burnham I suppose I should link to an example of things being said a few days ago, in regards 'mystery shoppers' to check up on pubs that have been reported for not following the measures properly. It features plenty of examples of the thoroughly unconvincing fudge we've been talking about.

'Mystery shoppers' to check Covid measures in Manchester pubs

Pubs that are reported to authorities in Greater Manchester for failing to enforce Covid-secure measures will be targeted by ‘mystery shoppers’ to ensure they are protecting public health.

www.morningadvertiser.co.uk

 

[Teaboy]

In a pub in Cardiff, no signage or masks, people getting too close, within a foot!

There is hand sanitiser etc and you can order from table but can still go to bar

Not sure how I feel about it after being cautious elsewhere

Sack em off and don't go back I reckon. Fuck any place that thinks its OK to just carry on as normal. There are a lot of pubs making a real and impressive effort so those who can't be bothered don't deserve custom.

 

[NoXion]

Eat out scheme causing 'hostility towards staff'

Some restaurants and pubs are opting out of the scheme because of the stress being put on staff.

www.bbc.co.uk

How completely unsurprising. It turns out that the Tory cunt government's idea of limiting the gimped and miserly "Eat Out To Help Out" scheme to certain days of the week, has put untoward pressure on some businesses, causing them to pull out of the scheme. Yes, it turns out that when you try to get more people to eat out in the middle of a fucking pandemic, the nice and sensible folk stay at home, while the restaurants become packed with all the absolute fucking cunts who are full of entitlement and don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Maybe we as a country should consider issuing workers in the service sector with pepper spray and tasers, and sanction their use against the red-faced selfish pieces of shit who think they have a right to act like a spoilt brat and treat other people like crap, just because they're being served food by minimum wage staff.

 

[William of Walworth]

Late this afternoon, I tried to book into a nice centre-of-town curry house for this coming Wednesday.
(It was festivaldeb's birthday recently )

But it was solidly booked right through to 9:30 pm.
I really hope they're coping, and not becoming overwhelmed

But just a PS to NoXion : not everyone deciding to go for an early-week discount meal atm, will act like a complete arsehole to staff!
Just saying, like

 

[existentialist]

Late this afternoon, I tried to book into a nice centre-of-town curry house for this coming Wednesday.
(It was festivaldeb's birthday recently )

But it was solidly booked right through to 9:30 pm.
I really hope they're coping, and not becoming overwhelmed

But just a PS to NoXion : not everyone deciding to go for an early-week discount meal atm, will act like an arsehole to staff!
Just saying, like

#notallcurryfiends

 

[cupid_stunt]

I think we need to see more pubs & bars closed if they are breaking the rules, it would send out a strong message to the trade, and ensure that those sticking to the rules don't start getting slack.

Two town centre bars have become the first in one Greater Manchester borough to be closed using new council powers after 'flouting coronavirus regulations'.

Casino De Cuba and Havana Sports Lounge on Millgate in Wigan town centre have been forced to close as of 4pm on Wednesday, August 19, to 'reduce the risk of spreading coronavirus'.

The bars were not complying with social distancing and there were concerns regarding the behaviour of customers within the premises, according to the local authority.

Repeat visits to the two bars found large groups congregated together singing and dancing to extremely loud music emanating from the venue, according to Wigan Council.

Bars forced to close by council after 'flouting coronavirus rules'

The bars were not complying with social distancing rules, according to the council

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk