klang
klang
you might have to hold it a bit longer. or wait till you get home.
Ministers target July 4th for reopening of England’s pubs and restaurants
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existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Given the likelihood of further cuts in funding, I wouldn't be all that surprised if a lot fewer reopened than had closed.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Hard to imagine less public toilets than there currently are in the UK tbh.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
They were all sold off to turn into novelty bars. I suppose some of those might now be re-opening but you'll have to make a reservation first before you can pop in to have a pee.
scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
Yeah. And there are far, far worse things going on the world that we all agree are far worse. But there's no discussion there, and even if there were, what would it do? Raise awareness? For most of those things, raising awareness wouldn't actually help the people affected, it would just increase compassion fatigue.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I expect some local outbreaks that have to be dealt with via local lockdowns or other restrictions will be linked to bars. But quite how significantly in the grand scheme of things I would not like to guess.
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Unless the authorities fall asleep at the wheel, I currently consider it more appropriate to talk about this stuff in the context of local flare-ups rather than second waves.
elbows
Well-Known Member
With the current levels on infection in the country, I think this is the very least we might expect on any given week.
Coronavirus: Three England pubs close after positive tests
At least three pubs in England announce they have closed just days after opening their doors again.
www.bbc.co.uk
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Tbf the fact that the customers who tested positive contacted the pub should be welcomed and thats why track and trace is also essential.With the current levels on infection in the country, I think this is the very least we might expect on any given week.
Coronavirus: Three England pubs close after positive tests
At least three pubs in England announce they have closed just days after opening their doors again.www.bbc.co.uk
elbows
Well-Known Member
Yes, thats partly why I put it in the context of 'this is the least we should expect' rather than seeing it as a sign of total doom. If I didnt hear about such cases then I would be even more concerned because it would mean we were missing what is inevitably there at this stage. I still wouldnt have opened pubs etc right now, its not helpful for absolutely minimising the number of infections, but I can live with their decision without sweating about it every 5 minutes, especially as neither myself or anyone I am in physical contact with is going down the pub at the moment.
Supine
Newt Member
Three so far. And who knows how many get ill and don't mention it.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
On the other hand, they must have know that at least they might need a test when they went. I can't see someone having no idea on Saturday then testing positive on Monday.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I was just about to post the same, waking up Sunday and suddenly out of the blue deciding you need a test, booking a slot at a testing centre straight away, and being lucky enough to get the result in 24 hours, seems a bit odd to me.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
It's three pubs, not punters.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not necessarily. There are various randomised surveys going on atm, tests in workplaces, that kind of thing. They could well have been totally asymptomatic.
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
the story i read (don't recall where soz) is that a barber -working sat - received a pos test and informed clients, one of whom then also tested pos and informed pub.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
This sort of thing frustrates me. How hard would it have been to organise so that every single barber/hairdresser was given a test before being cleared to go back to work. That's surely exactly the sort of thing we have this vaunted capacity for. Every pub worker as well, for that matter. It wouldn't be foolproof, but it would surely have helped.
I got my test result back in under 24 hours, so it should be quite possible to start feeling ill on the Sunday, book a test at a drive-in or walk-though centre on the same day and get the result back on the Monday.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
How hard? 'Too hard' for an administration that struggled to test its own frontline health and care workers.
They're fucking hopeless.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
But swab tests are not very reliable at all before you show any symptoms. They might have got a negative, then gone back to work and then not tested or isolated next time. It's really not that easy.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
This. My partner woke up on a Sunday morning feeling deathly having been perfectly fine before. If he'd been able to book a drive through test that day, he would have done.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Which is why I said it wouldn't be foolproof. And if they're younger people, they're also more likely to be asymptomatic. That it wouldn't have caught everyone is not a reason not to have done it.
To get sports back on, they did exactly this - tested everyone who was going to be involved. But somehow other sectors are not important enough to get the same treatment.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
My experience of this, and talking to people working on the T&T program (I decided not to) is that a big problem with this currently is the human factor. There are tests centres in loads of places (drive and walk-in), there is testing capacity, and test results are being turned round quickly and communicated by text and email instantly. The problems are people not answering phones, not saying they're going to isolate, and not passing on details of contacts.
Not saying that the government hasn't had a part to play in creating that dynamic, but people's behaviour seems to be the sticking point with lots of this.
More of the human factor causing a problem Nearly one in six Britons would refuse Covid-19 vaccine – survey
E2A: Yes, I'm feeling slightly misanthropic this morning.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
They might have known yes they must have known we don't know do we?
Isn’t part of the problem here that track and trace is ending when someone doesn’t pick up the phone? Why not send a team round to their house or workplace? Presumably this would happen if it was a more obviously lethal virus such as Ebola or the original SARS. It would involve cost and resources but it’s still a choice that’s being made.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Supine
Newt Member
Because the gov chose a basic web based system from a company that knows duck all about t&t unfortunately. The people employed are watching Netflix rather than properly trained health professions who could get into their cars and sort shit out.
souljacker
innit
I'm booked in to go to my favourite pub at 6pm tomorrow. 
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