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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Are you 12? Just stop.
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
This probably isn’t true either. Looks like Israel has attacked Iran with one missile fired from Iraq and a few drones which have all been shot down, just enough for honour to have been satisfied domestically but still mild enough for Iran to pretend that nothing happened, earning Netanyahu enough points for not escalating to be allowed a reasonably free hand in Rafah while still getting an uplift in US support.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I wonder if this merry go round ride will continue, I suspect it will
It's pretty grim isn't it?
Some analysis from Al Jazeera
Far more limited than many expected’
An Iranian arms control expert says the reported attack “was far more limited than many expected”.
In an interview with Al Jazeera, Ali Ahmadi said Israel “has much more limitations in its operational range” than many think.
“Certainly, after Iran’s retaliatory capacity was criticised, it benefits from advertising how ineffective what Israel did was as well. Iran also needs to prepare the public for a much softer reaction than it has talked about in the last couple of days,” he pointed out.
Ahmadi said that prior to today’s incident, Iran was preparing all sorts of options for massive retaliation including getting allies involved.
But considering the limited scope and impact of the alleged attack, which he described as a “security sabotage” rather than a “military assault”, it would be a mistake to carry out a massive response, he stressed.
johnwesley
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The killing of Atchduke F
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not another rapper dead
2hats
Dust.
Now suggestions that they were UAVs launched within Iranian territory anyway. There's a possibility that this is just a pre-strike probe, aimed at lighting up and mapping AD, radar, other air defence-related assets. Meanwhile, the IAF were busy over southern Syria last night, neutralising AD there, which might be a sweeping of a corridor to Iran (or maybe just intended to look like such).
What do you reckon 2hats tit for tat or something worse?
Silas Loom
Hated by both sides
A deniable assassination by chopper a month after the incident seems fair enough in the revenge and deterrence stakes really.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Seems to be just an accident…
teqniq
DisMembered
As is usual with accounts such as this I look for a source for the claimed announcement and alas it turns out to be true:
www.ft.com
So planned offensive requires American help. Who would have guessed?
Israeli military approves plan for ‘offensive’ in Lebanon
Fears of all-out conflict between Israel and Hizbollah grow as US envoy holds crisis meetings in the region
So planned offensive requires American help. Who would have guessed?
teqniq
DisMembered
More confirmation of the above:
www.middleeasteye.net
US signals to Hezbollah it will back Israeli offensive, as frustration with Gaza ceasefire grows
Amos Hochstein's 'blunt' message to Lebanese mediators may be a move to get Hezbollah to sway Hamas on Gaza ceasefire, analysts say
www.middleeasteye.net
teqniq
DisMembered
Analysis of the expected response from Israel to the attack on the occupied Golan Heights which killed a number of Druze civilians including children:
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@Charles_Lister: Gathering from media reports, statements & leaks, #Israel's response to #Hezbollah's deadly attack on #MajdalShams is coming & it'll be bigger than anything we've seen in #Lebanon since October 2023...…
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Excellent piece on the lack of future for israel (I have Mizrahi blood relatives btw before any of you usual suspects start): Israel Is Already Over
teqniq
DisMembered
It's only a couple of months since the death of Iran's former President Ebrahim Raisi. The assassinations, especially one in Tehran, are only going to fan the flames of conspiracy theories.
“There is no point. Israel crossed all the red lines,” the diplomat said. “Our response will be swift and heavy.” - Sounds categorical to me.
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Doesn't quite go here? Not sure where else though.
www.jpost.com
Doesn't seem to say that it's "in retaliation" to anything.
Israeli fighter jets strike airport on the Lebanon-Syria border - report
This attack was reportedly carried out in a similar fashion to the one reported two hours prior in another airport situated on the Syrian side of the border.
www.jpost.com
Doesn't seem to say that it's "in retaliation" to anything.
ska invita
back on the other side
If you google "pre-emptive strikes" Israel attacking Egypt in 1967 comes upDoesn't quite go here? Not sure where else though.
Israeli fighter jets strike airport on the Lebanon-Syria border - report
This attack was reportedly carried out in a similar fashion to the one reported two hours prior in another airport situated on the Syrian side of the border.
Doesn't seem to say that it's "in retaliation" to anything.
Still really cool jets yeah? woosh boom fast wow
Riklet
procrastinación
Frankly, I think the US stepping back and letting Israel get a bit of a kicking would be the better way to avoid all out war than their current ridiculous and counterproductive strategies.
It's clear the Israeli government wants war as they have assasinated ultimately the main person who would have signed off a cease fire or peaceful resolution. And perhaps a more moderate and pragmatic voice within Hamas, who had the best connections with Iran/Hizbullah and Qatar.
It seems possible the Israelis either used a drone to kill him or managed to sneak a remote bomb into a top military guest house in Tehran. At the very very least this is going to embarrass and enrage the regime while also fucking future talks with Hamas and alienating countries like Egypt and Turkey.
It shows even more how doddery old Biden really has lost the plot by ramping up the tension moving in aircraft carriers and serious military assets. He can only stand to lose from this.
It's clear the Israeli government wants war as they have assasinated ultimately the main person who would have signed off a cease fire or peaceful resolution. And perhaps a more moderate and pragmatic voice within Hamas, who had the best connections with Iran/Hizbullah and Qatar.
It seems possible the Israelis either used a drone to kill him or managed to sneak a remote bomb into a top military guest house in Tehran. At the very very least this is going to embarrass and enrage the regime while also fucking future talks with Hamas and alienating countries like Egypt and Turkey.
It shows even more how doddery old Biden really has lost the plot by ramping up the tension moving in aircraft carriers and serious military assets. He can only stand to lose from this.
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On a side note - a houthi delegation visited tehran on monday to discuss future relationships and gaza.
First time tehran / houthis make a high profile public showing of this.
(Must admit i have always been a bit confused about the alleged coop between the 2....)
www.terrorism-info.org.il
First time tehran / houthis make a high profile public showing of this.
(Must admit i have always been a bit confused about the alleged coop between the 2....)
- On July 29, 2024, Iranian President Pezeshkian met with Yemeni Houthi spokesman Mohammad Abdeslam and praised the Houthis for their support for the Palestinians. He stressed that all Islamic countries had to cooperate to prevent harm to Muslims and that cooperation between Iran and Yemen would continue and strengthen (IRNA, July 30, 2024). Abdeslam said they discussed relations between Houthi Yemen and Iran and ways to develop them for the benefit of both peoples. They also discussed the Gaza Strip and “Palestine” and the responsibility of all Muslims to support the Gaza Strip by all possible means to help it deal with Israel, the United States, and the West (Mohammed Abdeslam’s X account, July 30, 2024). On July 30, 2024, the Houthi spokesman met with Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei (Fars, July 30, 2024).
Spotlight on Iran (July 24 – 31, 2024) - The Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center
Iranian leaders condemned the attack in which the head of Hamas’ political bureau, Ismail Haniyeh, was killed in Tehran. Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said that “the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime prepared the ground through this operation for a heavy punishment for it"; The Iranian...
www.terrorism-info.org.il
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