Gay Marriage discussion

[Sasaferrato]

nice. those dirty stone-age slags, eh?

That's a whole new thread. There is certainly a huge difference in society's view of male/female bonding and children.

In the cold North, monogamous relationships became the norm, whereas in warmer society's there was a much more relaxed attitude towards relationships and children. Food made the difference I think. Man is a pragmatic animal. (Of course, I may be absolutely wrong on this, is there an anthropologist in the house?)

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

it has deep human roots. I don't think it's an exclusively conservative view.

Slavery existed for thousands of years. Still does in some places, but way fewer.

The human race as a whole can grow up, just like individuals can.

 

[killer b]

Is two people making a lasting commitment to each other something that the human race needs to grow out of? I'm not sure about that.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Is two people making a lasting commitment to each other something that the human race needs to grow out of? I'm not sure about that.

No. Its not.

 

[weltweit]

Sandi Toksvig got married

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/28/sandi-toksvig-gay-marriage-renewing-vows

 

[goldenecitrone]

It does, and has done for thousands of years. I suspect that originally it was to ensure that the children you were feeding were yours.

There must have been several early homo sapiens sapiens males who noticed their children developing distinctively Neanderthal features.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Is two people making a lasting commitment to each other something that the human race needs to grow out of?

Not at all. What the human race should grow out of, is the bigoted notion that two people of the same gender can't or shouldn't be allowed to make that lasting commitment.

 

[killer b]

agreed.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

In the cold North, monogamous relationships became the norm,

I suspect that Vikings making raids on English towns by the sea, didn't stick to any vows of monogamy.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It does, and has done for thousands of years. I suspect that originally it was to ensure that the children you were feeding were yours.

In the few African hunter gatherer cultures I studied it's more to do with, to put it bluntly, ensuring the supply of women remained suitably balanced. It was forbidden for me to, say, marry your sister unless I could find a woman for you to marry too. It wasn't always a forced thing either, if my sister didn't wanna marry you then her wishes were respected although that was probably the exception to the rule.

 

[friendofdorothy]

It does, and has done for thousands of years. I suspect that originally it was to ensure that the children you were feeding were yours.

Or to own and control women. Another reason I don't care if legal protection for me and the girlf is called marriage or not.

 

[Roadkill]

In a way, it is a bit insulting, the whole concept I mean. It is defining people by their sexuality, rather than as people. Gay and lesbian people have a hell of a lot more to them than their sexuality, same as heterosexuals. You don't hear someone commenting 'there's a heterosexual couple'.

Oh definitely. However, unfortunately there are people who make an issue of a couple's sexuality. In electoral terms they're a dwindling and ageing group, which is why the Tories are trying to move away from them in the longer term. They're probably more likely than the average person to turn out and vote so antagonising them may well have lose votes in the short term (the reverse is true as well, although I'm not convinced it's to the same extent), but in the long run they're set to become an irrelevance.

 

[frogwoman]

I was a bit annoyed to see the BBC giving so much publicity to homophobic opinions in its website

 

[buscador]

I was a bit annoyed to see the BBC giving so much publicity to homophobic opinions in its website

Oh, I don't know, they seem to find such amusing bigots at times; the flustered christian woman yesterday complaining about us gays attempting cultural dominance has quite inspired me. Even the bigots seem to be caricatures of themselves.

 

[strung out]

great comment on the BBC website

 

[DotCommunist]

thats got to be a trolololol

 

[Gingerman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26803014uk-26803014
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...y-is-gay-because-his-father-died-9013365.html
Fucking horrible individual

 

[Gingerman]

You only have to see who's against gay marriage to know its a good thing....the usual suspects Godbotherers and right wing loons......

 

[Corax]

Plenty of Christians that are totally pro though mind. Just less vocal.

 

[Gingerman]

Plenty of Christians that are totally pro though mind. Just less vocal.

True dat ,sadly its people like that looney woman interviewed in that BBC clip that make the most noise.......

 

[friendofdorothy]

I was a bit annoyed to see the BBC giving so much publicity to homophobic opinions in its website

She said something about being 'self centred' that made no sense - did she mean gay people/ or gay people who get married are self-centred? Surely loving someone enough to legally bind yourself to them is the opposite? or did she mean Cameron/govt was self-centred?

Oh, I don't know, they seem to find such amusing bigots at times; the flustered christian woman yesterday complaining about us gays attempting cultural dominance has quite inspired me. Even the bigots seem to be caricatures of themselves.

Cultural dominance! oh we've come so far since our illegal, outcast and invisible days.

Next step world domination!

 

[Corax]

True dat ,sadly its people like that looney woman interviewed in that BBC clip that make the most noise.......

Sadly yes.

People like me (and the majority of Christians I know) looking angrily into the camera and ranting about how they have no problem with this, and surely there are real issues we should be concentrating on, and when's the next series of Sherlock starting? - it doesn't make great telly

I'm wondering if I should start picketing gay marriages with a placard reading "This is fine, and really none of my business anyway"

 

[RedDragon]

I was a bit annoyed to see the BBC giving so much publicity to homophobic opinions in its website

It had me thinking what the BBC website would've looked like after the abolition of slavery, would it have been full of whiners asking who's going to cut my lawn, cook my dinner and make my frocks?

 

[Sasaferrato]

It had me thinking what the BBC website would've looked like after the abolition of slavery, would it have been full of whiners asking who's going to cut my lawn, cook my dinner and make my frocks?

Probably.

 

[RubyBlue]

Why not have civil partnerships and marriage for all? Mind you, we now have equality whoo hoo - I might even marry my partner now lol

 

[RubyBlue]

I'm wondering if I should start picketing gay marriages with a placard reading "This is fine, and really none of my business anyway"

I love the placards wishing peace at Phelps' funeral

 

[PursuedByBears]

I'm wondering if I should start picketing gay marriages with a placard reading "This is fine, and really none of my business anyway"

Do it and post pics!

 

[elbows]

Sandi Toksvig got married

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/28/sandi-toksvig-gay-marriage-renewing-vows

Great article. I don't think she got married though, since I don't think its yet possible to convert a civil partnership to a marriage.

 

[friendofdorothy]

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I'm wondering if I should start picketing gay marriages with a placard reading "This is fine, and really none of my business anyway"

Love the idea of that! You could certainly do that at Pride events to counter the Christians with the 'God Hates Homosexuals!' banners. Please!

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Insisting she was not homophobic, she added: ‘We’ve all got friends who are homosexuals, they’re often extremely clever, very good at artistic things. Very good at things like antiques, knowledgeable. No reason at all to say that they’re not loving.’

http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/05/baroness-knight-gay-men-are-very-good-at-things-like-antiques-3830393/