Charlottesville aftermath discussion thread...

[Pickman's model]

The most powerful moving piece of protest I've seen was during the civil rights era.
A black man was eating his burger in the white side of a segregated diner whilst white men and women yelled abuse at him, whilst throwing drinks at him and pouring tomato sauce on his head.
All the while he calmly sat there eating his burger. It was an amazing bit of footage.

I've tried searching for it but can't find it on YouTube, although it might be in a Woolworths (rip).
I believe that man advanced his cause a thousand times more than if he would have smashed the place to matchwood

What do you think would have happened to him if he had reacted?

 

[LDC]

FFS, on here, after everything, after how many years and discussions are we seriously going to have some people start lecturing on how the way to defeat fascism is just to discuss with them nicely and behave ourselves.

 

[D'wards]

What do you think would have happened to him if he had reacted?

Missing the point there brother

 

[Pickman's model]

Missing the point there brother

Yeh right

What do you think would have happened to him if he'd reacted?

 

[D'wards]

FFS, on here, after everything, after how many years and discussions are we seriously going to have some people start lecturing on how the way to defeat fascism is just to discuss with them nicely and behave ourselves.

Jon Ronson said when the left start acting like the right the battle is already lost.

Trump, Brexit, potentially 12 years of Tory rule. Something is winning support for the right...

 

[xenon]

Sit and be killed isn't a strategy. Tacticaly everyone does what they can.

Shut up and let the fascist act is a strategic decision. Individuals have to make tactical, pragmatic decisions.

 

[butchersapron]

Jon Ronson said when the left start acting like the right the battle is already lost.

Trump, Brexit, potentially 12 years of Tory rule. Something is winning support for the right...

And it's anti-fascism?

 

[LDC]

Well, when such heavy weight political thinkers and revolutionaries like Ronson say so then that's that.

Seriously, the left behaving like the right? What the fuck?

 

[D'wards]

And it's anti-fascism?

Could be...

 

[butchersapron]

Could be...

Well it ain't. What sort of a world must you live in to think this.

 

[Pickman's model]

Missing the point there brother

Oh right. You want people to say the magic words so you're justified. Tosh

 

[D'wards]

Basically, ive seen first hand how the actions of Antifa fucks off those they are aiming to protect the rights of

 

[xenon]

Let the fascists speak. They just have a different PoV. One which would have people in chains and or dead . But for god sake don't be beastly to them.

 

[DotCommunist]

and I've seen others talk of how 'this non-violence stuff will get you killed'. And it does. You are dealing with people who consider non-violence and active passive resistance with glee. They will kick the shit out of people and kill them, state response will be minimal and on a street level complicit in the violence. Pacifism in the face of what the threat represents is as ever brave but stupid. What liberals detest so much when they see nazis getting a kicking from commies is a breakdown in the order of things. 'This simply is not done. If far rightists are to rampage (and if they behave themselves I don't care) then that is a matter for the police, not these self appointed unemployed middle class thugs who are also students.'

You should be thanking these people. Without a decent response on every level including the street level you end up with situations where Le Pen is considered a viable choice but everyone votes for a complete arsewipe because the alternative is Le Pen. It has to be killed in its inception or else it becomes normalised and respectable.

 

[Pickman's model]

Basically, ive seen first hand how the actions of Antifa fucks off those they are aiming to protect the rights of

Yeh? Not sure you've really grasped what antifa are about, chuck.

 

[redsquirrel]

Jon Ronson said when the left start acting like the right the battle is already lost.

Well if Jon Ronson said it, it must be correct. A bloke who got spun a line by Icke is definitely somewhat we should listen to, rather than those who have been opposing fascists for years.

Basically, ive seen first hand how the actions of Antifa fucks off those they are aiming to protect the rights of

Really, care to give some examples or is this just like what Sass' saw?

 

[D'wards]

Unless you can effectively kill everyone of the nazi prats, giving them a black eye and a bloody nose is gonna do fuck all to stop them. Probably help recruit for them if anything.

You are giving them the attention they badly crave.

Well if Jon Ronson said it, it must be correct. A bloke who got spun a line by Icke is definitely somewhat we should listen to, rather than those who have been opposing fascists for years.

Really, care to give some examples or is this just like what Sass' saw?

Well a couple of years ago there was a demonstration outside Lunar House, me and some colleagues went past to have a nose at lunchtime. I was in a group with a black girl, muslim girl in a headscarf and an Iranian lad. First some antis with black hoods and faces covered with scarves on their faces ran to the BNP nobs and started throwing punches - they were pushed away but were pacing about like Jake le Motta despite being real weedy little tits. Arrogant arseholes who had real tickets on themselves.
Now, i have a shaved head and sleeve tattoos. One of the antis got in my face saying "who are you looking at?". I told him to fuck off and who the fuck did he think he was. I pointed out who my pals were and he skulked off head down.
My pals all agreed these men were pricks to a man, and we all ignored the BNP. Effective strategy - we ignored the BNP as a nation and they have fucked off

 

[rekil]

Cool story bro.

 

[J Ed]

My pals all agreed these men were pricks to a man, and we all ignored the BNP. Effective strategy - we ignored the BNP as a nation and they have fucked off

No, you ignored the BNP while other people put a considerable amount of work and effort into thwarting them both electorally and on the street.

 

[D'wards]

Cool story bro.

Well i was asked for an example, you snide

 

[J Ed]

You know I think that the Republic could have won the Spanish Civil War if they just turned their back on Franco instead of winding everyone up by fighting back.

 

[rekil]

Well i was asked for an example, you snide

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[D'wards]

It's ok, we're all allowed an outdated hackneyed cliche from time to time, so, i'm like, whatever

 

[Pickman's model]

Unless you can effectively kill everyone of the nazi prats, giving them a black eye and a bloody nose is gonna do fuck all to stop them. Probably help recruit for them if anything.

You are giving them the attention they badly crave.


Well a couple of years ago there was a demonstration outside Lunar House, me and some colleagues went past to have a nose at lunchtime. I was in a group with a black girl, muslim girl in a headscarf and an Iranian lad. First some antis with black hoods and faces covered with scarves on their faces ran to the BNP nobs and started throwing punches - they were pushed away but were pacing about like Jake le Motta despite being real weedy little tits. Arrogant arseholes who had real tickets on themselves.
Now, i have a shaved head and sleeve tattoos. One of the antis got in my face saying "who are you looking at?". I told him to fuck off and who the fuck did he think he was. I pointed out who my pals were and he skulked off head down.
My pals all agreed these men were pricks to a man, and we all ignored the BNP. Effective strategy - we ignored the BNP as a nation and they have fucked off

yeh. and what gave you the notion that antifa exist to protect your rights?

 

[Pickman's model]

You know I think that the Republic could have won the Spanish Civil War if they just turned their back on Franco instead of winding everyone up by fighting back.

the soviet union could have ended the war in 1942 if only they'd ignored the invading nazis rather than riling them by daring to shoot back.

 

[D'wards]

yeh. and what gave you the notion that antifa exist to protect your rights?

and where did you get the notion that i have the notion that they are there to protect MY rights?

 

[Pickman's model]

and where did you get the notion that i have the notion that they are there to protect MY rights?

from your posts. do you think that antifa are there to protect your mates' rights but not yours?

 

[D'wards]

Anyway, i'm off to my peaceful bed, and to quote Sansa Stark "No need to seize the last word, Pickman's Model, I'll assume it was something clever."

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyway, i'm off to my peaceful bed, and to quote Sansa Stark "No need to seize the last word, Pickman's Model, I'll assume it was something clever."

once more your putdowns are cut from other people's cast-offs. can't you come up with something of your own for once?

 

[ViolentPanda]

no. Honestly, fuck the people who "haven't yet made up their minds" which side they're on.

Fuck 'em with a baseball bat to the face, the liberal wankshafts.