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What a pos he is. That should have been the warning to the world what a fucking fascist he was and is. No-one should ever see the words Nazi and good together, unless they are fellow travellers.

I'm assuming 'good people on both sides' is ironic, just a take on trump's own 'fine people on both sides' comment following the lying word salad of self-serving, backtracking bollocks he spouted after the Charlottesville nazi kick-off in 2017.

For context - In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks
 
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He's going to skate on everything. I had held out hope that justice would be done, until he "won". His whole desperation to win was to stay out of prison, and it looks as if he has got what he wanted. Why the fuck didn't Garland start proceedings sooner, instead of waiting so long? I thought he must know what he's doing, but sadly he fucked up badly. If he had been convicted sooner, he would not have been allowed on the ballot, as a felon. But actually, what the fuck am I saying? This is the thing that is allowed to do and say what the hell he likes, with no repercussions. With the SC working for him too, it's game over :mad: .
 
MTG is showing solidarity with Matt Gaetz and women (?) by threatening other Republicans that their predatory moments will be exposed


Musk has also come out in support for Gaetz.

Yes.. all the ethics reports and claims including the one I filed, all your sexual harassment and assault claims that were secretly settled paying off victims with tax payer money, the entire Jeffrey Epstein files, tapes, recordings, witness interviews but not just those, there’s more

Not sure why the headline here isn't "Greene claims she has access to Epstein files, sexual assault claims against lawmakers, has been keeping them secret'
 
Vince Mcmahon is one of the dodgiest fuckers on the northern continent, and in america a person cannot be made to testify against their spouse so I just assume they're both disgusting sex cases with a side order of mysterious disappearances and glossed over incidents.
 
Vince Mcmahon is one of the dodgiest fuckers on the northern continent, and in america a person cannot be made to testify against their spouse so I just assume they're both disgusting sex cases with a side order of mysterious disappearances and glossed over incidents.

They've split but have yet to divorce.
 

A lot of people hold Ophra Winfrey in high regard. We should remember that she not only gave us Dr. Phil, she gave us Dr. Oz. I expect a Dr. Phil appointment any day now.

I can say one thing for Dr. Oz. At one time he was a respected heart surgeon. Unlike Dr. Phil, he's a real doctor. He only became a freak after a couple of years on tv. I think it all went to his head, and he began touting the supplement industry for views.

RFK, Jr., on the other hand has a BA in literature and a JD, along with a felony conviction for heroin use. He never really practiced law because he couldn't pass the bar exam. He isn't qualified to run a dog show. He's the poster boy for unearned family privilege and he got into Harvard on his name alone, but could never back it up with actual competence. Even his family says not to appoint him.
 
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Linda McMahon for Education - maybe Hulk Hogan has a shot at being attorney general if the Gaetz nomination doesn't work out
Her main objective will be the implementation of better discipline in schools, by encouraging kids to smack each other over the head with chairs.

Or shooting each other.
 
It's as if we are living in a parallel world with these outrageous picks. It's like a game of finding the most ridiculous people we can find to scare the shit out of people. If they all get confirmed though, it will be armageddon. The country is finished as a serious world leader.
 
Is that a downside or an upside? :hmm:
Context matters here, while in theory the end of the US as a world leader sounds positive, like this? In the world as it currently is?

It isn't anyway, it still has the worlds strongest military and the 2nd largest nuclear arsenal in world.

It's just not a grown up anymore.

It's like replacing a stern abusive disciplinarian of a father figure with some erratic drug addict who promisee you a new toy but instead ends up chucking a brick at your head and leaving you abandoned somewhere, then panics and comes back later drags youu home and starts forcefeeding you spaghetti hoops until you are sick.

I feel this analogy got away from me at some point.
 
It's as if we are living in a parallel world with these outrageous picks. It's like a game of finding the most ridiculous people we can find to scare the shit out of people. If they all get confirmed though, it will be armageddon. The country is finished as a serious world leader.

It's like a grotesque reality tv show line-up, the 'contestants' picked for their outrage factor and 'entertainment' value.

trump back to his roots.
 
Big Crimethinc article on what comes next, pretty much all of it is important reading imo:

It’s understandable that many people feel exhausted at the prospect of a second Trump era. It’s easy to want to tune out and dissociate. What can we do, anyway?


But we don’t know how the first Trump era would have gone if not for the ways that millions of people engaged in various forms of resistance. Difficult as it was, it could have been much worse. We didn’t topple capitalism or abolish the police, but we kept fascists from taking over the streets, and we prevented Trump and his supporters from accomplishing a great deal of their agenda. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to conceal our collective power.


As long as we relied on our own strength, we became more and more powerful. Our protests galvanized others into action, showing what was at stake and where the regime was vulnerable. Our actions shaped public narratives, counteracting Trump’s efforts to determine popular discourse. The resulting unrest gave the capitalist class the impression that Trump’s reign was bad for business, sapping their support. It was only after we had apparently driven Trump from the stage of history that we let our guard down, permitting our social movements to dwindle and creating a situation in which the Democratic Party could cede power once again.


The lesson is clear. We will only get what we win by our own efforts. The Trump era was not a historical anomaly. It’s not behind us. We are still in it, and we can only get through it by fighting.
 
Bit more, so as not to do it all in one mega-post:
We have at least one advantage. Donald Trump is a known quantity. If it is not always possible to foresee his moves, his reactions are usually predictable. It should be possible to exploit his weaknesses.


Trump thrives on media attention. Seeking to control the news cycle, he manufactures one crisis after another, each intended to distract from the last. During his first term, this forced many people into a cycle of reaction, allowing Trump to set the tempo of engagement. When your enemy controls the tempo of the conflict, he can keep you continually on the defensive.


To this end, Trump is always saying and doing horrible things. With his cabinet picks, for example, it appears that he is trying to provoke a scandal so that his most outrageous nominations function as lightning rods channeling anger and attention, enabling him to push through the rest of his agenda unnoticed.


It is up to us to set our own priorities, to seize the initiative and force our adversaries to fight on the terrain we choose. Knowing some of Trump’s plans for his first days in office, we can begin choosing battles that we might be able to win. The earlier that people can achieve a few decisive victories, even on a local scale, the sooner people everywhere will rediscover that resistance is possible.


Trump will overreach, especially if we force him to. Recall the heady days of summer 2020, when he was trying to show his backers in the ruling class that he could regain control of the streets. When he sent federal agents into Portland in July 2020, he was pouring gasoline on a fire, catalyzing a massive public response that the federal agencies loyal to him—chiefly Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Department of Homeland Security—could not suppress. Those who had initially watched from the sidelines eventually poured into the streets, taking up umbrellas, leaf blowers, fireworks, and shields. They continued coming out for over a hundred consecutive days.


Arguably, Trump was not defeated at the polls in November of that year, but in the streets in July 2020, when the people of Portland demonstrated that his lackeys were no match for them. This cost Trump the support of capitalists seeking to reestablish law and order—at least in that election.3




Exerting Leverage​


A crucial element of the victory that took place in summer 2020 was the polarization of local and state governments against Trump. The complicity of Democratic officials in “blue” states and cities is well-established, but they still have to pretend to represent their constituencies, which often means chasing after powerful social movements in hopes of coopting them. If we play our cards right, we should be able to force Democrat-controlled local and state governments and agencies to refuse to cooperate with at least some of Trump’s programs. In 2020, popular sentiment forced many local prosecutors to drop the charges against those arrested during the uprising. Many municipalities have been declared sanctuary cities. As empty as those words often are, we can aim to force politicians to give them meaning. Any division that emerges within the ruling class, however small, will be to our advantage.


The first battle will be fought for the hearts—and schedules—of anarchists and other rebels who were active in 2020. Do we have it in us to mobilize again, more, differently? The second battle will be fought for a broader swath of the population, including rank-and-file Democrats. Are they prepared to accept the second Trump era as business as usual, or will they gravitate towards resistance?


If Democrat politicians are not compelled to break with the Republican agenda, we could end up in a countrywide situation analogous to what happened to the Stop Cop City movement in Atlanta, where the majority of the general population came to oppose the proposed police training facility but politicians of every stripe closed ranks in a bipartisan consensus in favor of imposing it by brute force. But if a critical mass of rank-and-file Democrats conclude that they have a responsibility to become unruly, that will force at least some Democratic politicians to hold themselves apart from the “law and order” consensus.


We should also anticipate defections from the bureaucratic and managerial classes. Trump plans to fire thousands of federal employees and surely many more will resign. The effects will trickle down to every level of society. We need to create opportunities for newly disaffected people to connect with each other and put their skills at the service of the movement. If some of them bring insider knowledge of the bureaucracy, all the better. When it comes to leaks from those who retain their positions, there should be an emphasis on equipping movements to act rather than simply seeking to discredit the administration in an imagined court of public opinion.


To take on an entire government, we have to create friction between the different factions that comprise it and exploit the vulnerabilities that this opens up.
 
And some more:
The current ICE director estimates that between 150,000 and 200,000 people could be deported within the first one or two months, and up to a million in the first 100 days.


This is frightening. And yet plans rarely survive contact with reality. Mass deportation would mean visible ICE actions with the cooperation of law enforcement in every sector of society. It would mean buses filled with prisoners everywhere. It would mean local law enforcement agencies being pulled away from other tasks and redirected towards immigration enforcement. It would mean plane after plane full of neighbors, family members, and friends, handcuffed and waiting on the tarmac. All of these are opportunities for resistance to erupt. The deportations will not all occur in darkness; many of them will take place in public, in broad daylight. It is up to us to make sure that no one can ignore them, and to help others to understand what they can do.


Armies succeed or fail based on their logistics. A complex logistical chain involving multiple agencies and forms of transportation, directed by leaders who are attempting to act on a much larger scale than before, will be prone to failure. How might these logistical links fail?


As the saying goes, our enemies have names and addresses. During the first Trump presidency, people doxxed every ICE agent they could find. Every raid will require the cooperation of local law enforcement; each one will involve staging areas and transport buses. Where do the buses come from? Who maintains them? Are those people also ideologically invested in fascism, or do some of them have misgivings? Where will the new detention facilities be staged? Who will build them? What airports will these deportation flights leave from? What supply lines will support them? How many low-wage airport workers have a stake in the fight against fascism?


In one possible version of an anti-deportation struggle, there will be mass demonstrations, moral outrage, fruitless lawsuits, and symbolic civil disobedience. Most of the participants will be self-professed activists. Efforts to center the authority of existing formal organizations that are not in a position to call for certain kinds of action will impose limits on what tactics the movement can experiment with. Internal divisions and interpersonal competition for control of the movement will further hamper it.


In another possible version of the struggle, every sector of society will become involved in resisting the deportation machine. Local liberal-leaning governments will be pressured into refusing to cooperate with federal agencies. Rapid response networks will bring people out in massive numbers to confront raids—and not all of them will limit themselves to following the leadership of official organizations. Bus drivers will go on strike; buses will mysteriously cease to function; coordinated highway blockades could shut down traffic to airports that are critical deportation hubs. Every form of struggle will emerge, and every participant will be encouraged to take whatever action they can, and the combination of anger and small, concrete victories will motivate more people to act.


The deportations—and any struggle against them—will happen in physical reality, not on social media. If a dozen communities begin immediately organizing mass strategic resistance to deportation, researching logistical chains, outlining targets and strategic goals, and welcoming a diversity of participants and tactics, they could demonstrate effective resistance and light a signal fire for others around the country. If people get organized now and begin to map out and target the infrastructure for mass deportation before Trump takes office, they could seize the initiative, set the tempo, and force him to be the one to have to react.


In 2017, when Trump signed the so-called “Muslim ban,” a single mass occupation at JFK Airport in New York sparked occupations involving tens of thousands of people around the country. Tactics spread rapidly when they are inspiring. What can you and your community do, right now, to prepare to inspire nationwide resistance to the deportation machine?
 
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