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[Serene]

What makes you think tariffs of 60% on Chinese imports are a precedent for tariffs of 60% on U.K. imports ?

I dont think Trump saying that he will put a 60 percent tarif on china means that he will do the same with the UK, but it remains to be seen what he will do with the UK ( if anything ). Also what are china going to think if he does place 60 percent on them, and especially if he doesnt raise other countries tarifs?

 

[Ax^]

It's hardly unique to the Tories or disgraced ex-PM Johnson. Every government I can remember crafts the "special relationship" narrative.

the uk just having left the eu was quite a unique turn of events and Johnson spent plenty of time swallowing the Cheeto'ed coloured nuts sack of trump
and got the sum of fuck all out of it.. tried it with biden too if remember correctly

so maybe time to get a good trade deal with the EU

 

[VivaE]

Is this already on here? trump's Homeland Security pick? Kristi pup-killing Noem? Shot her 14mth old pup because it failed to do what she wanted it to do and used it to illustrate her willingness, in politics as well as in South Dakota life, to do anything “difficult, messy and ugly” if it simply needs to be done.

President-elect Donald Trump has chosen South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem as his secretary for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), CNN reported Tuesday. Noem has had a tumultuous year, facing immense amount of backlash for revealing in her memoir that she killed her 14-month-old puppy, later claiming it was a danger to her children.

Trump selects Kristi Noem, governor who shot and killed her dog, to lead Homeland Security

The South Dakota Governor who killed her 14-month-old puppy was once in the running to be Trump's VP

www.yahoo.com

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What makes you think tariffs of 60% on Chinese imports are a precedent for tariffs of 60% on U.K. imports ?

That 60% tariff, does it apply to goods manufactured for American companies in China or just goods made by Chinese companies. Traditionally, goods manufactured for American-based companies got a pass on tariffs. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the later. Trump wouldn't do anything to make the profit on his Chinese-made hats go down.

 

[moochedit]

That 60% tariff, does it apply to goods manufactured for American companies in China or just goods made by Chinese companies. Traditionally, goods manufactured for American-based companies got a pass on tariffs. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the later. Trump wouldn't do anything to make the profit on his Chinese-made hats go down.

It's just a figure he made up on the campaign trail. I doubt he has thought through the detail

 

[The39thStep]

That 60% tariff, does it apply to goods manufactured for American companies in China or just goods made by Chinese companies. Traditionally, goods manufactured for American-based companies got a pass on tariffs. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the later. Trump wouldn't do anything to make the profit on his Chinese-made hats go down.

Good question. Isn't steel from China which I guess is used in production of other goods already subject to tariffs or is steel an exception?

 

[Rompipalle]

Is this already on here? trump's Homeland Security pick? Kristi pup-killing Noem? Shot her 14mth old pup because it failed to do what she wanted it to do and used it to illustrate her willingness, in politics as well as in South Dakota life, to do anything “difficult, messy and ugly” if it simply needs to be done.

Trump selects Kristi Noem, governor who shot and killed her dog, to lead Homeland Security

The South Dakota Governor who killed her 14-month-old puppy was once in the running to be Trump's VP

www.yahoo.com

She sounds like a far greater threat to her children than a 14 month old puppy.

 

[not a trot]

When I wake each morning and turn on the TV, I'm hoping to hear that Trump is dead. Is that wrong ?

 

[Ax^]

When I wake each morning and turn on the TV, I'm hoping to hear that Trump is dead. Is that wrong ?

nope, tbf now is the best time to kill him..

he going to be a hero to right wing assholes for getting a second term
why not make him a Martyr to the cause

 

[Flavour]

I wonder how much worse it has to get for there to be a return to left wing terrorism. Maybe nothing could provoke it cos population too numb and hopeless now.

 

[krtek a houby]

nope, tbf now is the best time to kill him..

he going to be a hero to right wing assholes for getting a second term
why not make him a Martyr to the cause

Careful

 

[Ax^]

I wonder how much worse it has to get for there to be a return to left wing terrorism. Maybe nothing could provoke it cos population too numb and hopeless now.

he got more to be worried about by right wing loons as he has promised them the world
and is to lazy to deliver..

 

[Dogsauce]

I dont think Trump saying that he will put a 60 percent tarif on china means that he will do the same with the UK, but it remains to be seen what he will do with the UK ( if anything ). Also what are china going to think if he does place 60 percent on them, and especially if he doesnt raise other countries tarifs?

Export stuff to America through third countries probably. Stuff will work around it.

China isn’t just competing on price anymore. A lot of their domestically developed electronics are ahead of things made in ‘the west’. I don’t think America can do without them without spiting themselves.

 

[moochedit]

That 60% tariff, does it apply to goods manufactured for American companies in China or just goods made by Chinese companies. Traditionally, goods manufactured for American-based companies got a pass on tariffs. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the later. Trump wouldn't do anything to make the profit on his Chinese-made hats go down.

Sounds like everything from this. Although it may get watered down by congress of course.

Trump favors huge new tariffs. How do they work?

Former President Donald Trump has proposed a 60% tariff on goods from China and a 20% tariff on everything else the United States imports. This week, he raised the ante still higher.

www.pbs.org

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Clinton enthusiastically deregulated and shovelled wealth towards the rich. It's a process that's been going on since the 70s in the US, UK, and elsewhere, but it's been more extreme in some places than others. The Democrats have been just as bad as the Republicans in this process. Real wages have gone down over the last 30 years.

This graph is for the US. It is very similar to the graphs of many countries. Decline in Labour's share of wealth ever since the 50s, with steep decline since the late 90s. In the UK, we hit a peak in the 70s and declined from there.

This is the reality of the political economy. The only Democrat (and he's not even a real Democrat) I've heard talk about it is Bernie Sanders.

Excellent post.

Clinton also imposed NAFTA that off shored millions of American working class jobs to Mexico. Corporations were guaranteed cheap labour and indemnification against losses. See those voters in the deindustrialised rust belt who voted against Hilary Clinton and Harris..many of them turned against the Democrats then and won’t ever return.

The question is, when they realise Trump will also sell them out and govern in the interests of the rich, where do these people go?

It’s not going to be liberal capitalism and the democrats. It’s either the populist right or to our side. The three way fight is not only real but only once our side dumps liberal capitalism and is seen to do so can our politics get a hearing..

Bill Clinton’s Presidency Was a Disaster for Labor

Though Bill Clinton ran for president on promises of empowering workers, in office he gutted welfare and passed NAFTA, undermining organized labor and driving working-class voters away from the Democratic Party. We’re still living with the consequences.

jacobin.com

NAFTA, Twenty Years After: A Disaster

The post originally appeared on The Huffington Post. New Year's Day, 2014, marks the 20th anniversary of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The Agreement created a common market for goods, services and investment capital with Canada and Mexico. And it opened the door through which...

www.epi.org

 

[Smokeandsteam]

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[tim]

When I wake each morning and turn on the TV, I'm hoping to hear that Trump is dead. Is that wrong ?

Yes it is. Vance is probably far more competent than Trump.

 

[2hats]

It'll be fine. I mean, it's not like H5N1 is out and about exploring zoonotic paths.

And right on cue: a current case exhibits improved human/mammalian URT and treatment drug resistance sequence adaptations.

 

[smokedout]

You say he was rich, and his position escapes a material analysis, but what was his work/employment BigMoaner? (I mean there's always also going to be individual outliers that do escape a broad anaylsis for this stuff too.) I think plenty of the radicalised (especially by Covid) were of the self-employed types who were fearful of loss of business/earnings when lockdowns happened. Gym owners seemed to be some identifiable cohort of anti-lockdown types (probably partly the health fixation played a part there too).

Yeah and working class made good is very different to the intergenerational wealth of the traditional middle class. The anxiety about losing it all is still there as is the fact social mobility going into reverse means their kids may not enjoy the same future. Also they are likely to have relatives and friends still struggling who they may be able to help out from time to time but they don't usually have the money to get them out of that situation.

It's a completely different mindset to those for who money has always just been there. I think it's understandable why this group has played such a big part in reactionary movements in times of crisis. They really don't want to go back to where they were and unlike 'the rich', who have no knowledge of being anything else, they know it's a real possibility.

 

[bcuster]

Well this could be interesting. At the risk of sounding like a nut job, I don't trust the result, and how quickly it was called in a landslide. The previous day he was looking beaten, and there were rumblings that he was told he was going to lose with inside polls. There are apparently many missing votes and the bomb scares were all at Dem places.

Harris fundraising page says a portion of donations will be directed to recount effort

A portion of donations made to the Harris Victory Fund will be directed towards a recount effort, according to its fundraising page.

www.usatoday.com

 

[krtek a houby]

Trump nominates fracking magnate Chris Wright as energy secretary

Chris Wright, a fracking magnate, has said ‘there is no climate crisis’ and champions fossil fuel production.

www.aljazeera.com

Tldr?

King Trump continues to build his dream empire, with the appointment of a climate change denier.

Predictions of clashes with Musk, because he's promoting solar power and the like.

 

[BigMoaner]

You say he was rich, and his position escapes a material analysis, but what was his work/employment BigMoaner? (I mean there's always also going to be individual outliers that do escape a broad anaylsis for this stuff too.) I think plenty of the radicalised (especially by Covid) were of the self-employed types who were fearful of loss of business/earnings when lockdowns happened. Gym owners seemed to be some identifiable cohort of anti-lockdown types (probably partly the health fixation played a part there too).

He owned an air conditioning company. Fair points tbh.

 

[kabbes]

If you fancy a really good long-view political analysis of what is going on both with this election and on a longer scale, this is really worth a listen



Fareed Zakaria has a PhD in political science from Harvard and writes columns for the lines of the Washington Post. He’s politically a wet centrist, ensconced in the cultural milieu of the establishment. So why am I recommending listening to this? Because regardless of what he wants to happen next, his analysis of what has happened is very helpful. He sees it in terms of a long-term reaction to massive structural changes in the economy plus the shifts in cultural dominance that these changes have brought about. As he points out, Trump is not some temporary aberration or spike. And as he also points out, the opposition to Trump is just as culturally and emotionally driven as his supporters are, so pretending that this side is somehow uniquely rational is very unhelpful.

If you are inclined to blame this election result on idiot turkeys voting for Christmas, I’d recommend this podcast featuring a staunchly pro-Democrat sensible centrist because he presents pretty clearly why it’s not that.

(First 15 or 20 minutes only, by the way. Then he gets into his US-centric perspective on geopolitics, which is less insightful IMO).

 

[Cloo]

Great advice from Coretta Scott King here - take the focus off Trump and keep Republicans accountable:

 

[emanymton]

If you fancy a really good long-view political analysis of what is going on both with this election and on a longer scale, this is really worth a listen



Fareed Zakaria has a PhD in political science from Harvard and writes columns for the lines of the Washington Post. He’s politically a wet centrist, ensconced in the cultural milieu of the establishment. So why am I recommending listening to this? Because regardless of what he wants to happen next, his analysis of what has happened is very helpful. He sees it in terms of a long-term reaction to massive structural changes in the economy plus the shifts in cultural dominance that these changes have brought about. As he points out, Trump is not some temporary aberration or spike. And as he also points out, the opposition to Trump is just as culturally and emotionally driven as his supporters are, so pretending that this side is somehow uniquely rational is very unhelpful.

If you are inclined to blame this election result on idiot turkeys voting for Christmas, I’d recommend this podcast featuring a staunchly pro-Democrat sensible centrist because he presents pretty clearly why it’s not that.

(First 15 or 20 minutes only, by the way. Then he gets into his US-centric perspective on geopolitics, which is less insightful IMO).

First 15 or 20 minutes?
I'm about 8 min in, the first half of that was them advertising stuff to me. Now he seems to be talking about how much better white collar people have it than blue collar. Which is just nonsense, it's the traditional white collar middle class jobs that have been deskilled and had the pay and condition slashed over the last few decades.

 

[BigMoaner]

. edited for blathering.

 

[emanymton]

First 15 or 20 minutes?
I'm about 8 min in, the first half of that was them advertising stuff to me. Now he seems to be talking about how much better white collar people have it than blue collar. Which is just nonsense, it's the traditional white collar middle class jobs that have been deskilled and had the pay and condition slashed over the last few decades.

Well I gave it 15 minutes and it was awful. If there was a transcript I'd be tempted to pull out all the things I disagree with, but can't see one and don't want to go back through the video making notes. But if that is really good, I'd hate to see really bad.

 

[emanymton]

. edited for blathering.

It just needed paragraphs

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

You say he was rich, and his position escapes a material analysis, but what was his work/employment BigMoaner? (I mean there's always also going to be individual outliers that do escape a broad anaylsis for this stuff too.) I think plenty of the radicalised (especially by Covid) were of the self-employed types who were fearful of loss of business/earnings when lockdowns happened. Gym owners seemed to be some identifiable cohort of anti-lockdown types (probably partly the health fixation played a part there too).

I heard an interesting podcast interview (with Quinn Slobodian I think although I might be wrong, I've heard a few people talking about this stuff) a while ago where he characterised these people as being essentially very radicalised centrists. The worldview being that you achieve success as a single economic unit whether by hard work or through how smart you are, and the role of government is essentially to keep things ticking over and to hide the joins - all the ways in which you're actually dependent on social circumstance. From that point of view being restricted or economically damaged on account of some wider factor such as a pandemic, or to have to protect others, is infuriating and also seriously discombobulating.

I'm not sure if I'm 100% on board with it but I do find it useful in trying to understand them - I've always found the question 'wtf do these idiots actually want' to be a pretty tricky one.

 

[kabbes]

Well I gave it 15 minutes and it was awful. If there was a transcript I'd be tempted to pull out all the things I disagree with, but can't see one and don't want to go back through the video making notes. But if that is really good, I'd hate to see really bad.

Transcript:

Fareed Zakaria on What Just Happened, and What Comes Next - Freakonomics

Fareed Zakaria on What Just Happened, and What Comes Next - Freakonomics

freakonomics.com

Knock yourself out.