How long before Trump and Musk fall out?

[moochedit]

You and 8ball are most probably right. Just seeems like very off timing for Musk to go against Farage so was thinking of why now and what they are planning.

Musk is just being musk. I don't think there is any 8D chess going on here.

 

[ouirdeaux]

Just seeems like very off timing for Musk to go against Farage so was thinking of why now and what they are planning.

I don't think there's some sort of a plot. Musk is just butthurt.

People are stupid, as we can tell from the vast numbers who are fans of Musk or Farage or Trump. This doesn't mean that the object of their adulation is a brainbox.

 

[ska invita]

Here's a thought. They wouldn't try to put Johnson in charge of Reform would they?

They've got Andrea Jenkins and I bet Mad Nads would happily join along with various others. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair few Tory MPs that would happily jump ship if he was put in.

no cos

Reform is a private company that is more than 50% owned by Farage.

 

[two sheds]

I thought the far right regarded johnson as 'socialist' for not being anti-vax enough during covid / throwing money at things after covid

'commie' was the word I thought of

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Although apparently plenty of them were falling in line with it the minute Trump weighed in to say he agreed with Musk.

This doesn't surprise me. Trump supporters seem to be more interested in the man than any policies he may enact, except in cases where it might hurt someone they hate.

 

[Nigel]

I thought the far right regarded johnson as 'socialist' for not being anti-vax enough during covid / throwing money at things after covid

There were some interesting posts on Ruskin College Fellowship FB page (used to be Labour movement college in Oxford) a while back, where some of the posters were being sympathetic towards Boris; maybe from the Love Hate relationship and banter that developed with some of them and Oxford University Conservative Association at Oxford Union & him apparently turning up for breakfast in their canteen @ Walton Street; also some of the more naive elements among them considering working with them/him to get the college's independent status at the time taken over by Oxford University.

Maybe Boris, for all his reactionary bile and right populist rhetoric still sees himself as a 'one nation' Tory, rather than a Right Wing Populist Demagogue.

If you consider his comments concerning his, 'appreciation' towards Northern Working Class voters after he became Prime Minister and his sympathy (not support) for miners during 1984-5 miners strike there maybe something in this.
There is still a lot of support for Boris, aberrations and Warts All among conservatives and their supporters; he's still a supporter and part of the establishment, whatever others further to the right might see him as.

 

[kebabking]

If you listen to the normally awful Rest is Politics 'leading' podcast - the episode with Ben Wallace - you'll see an interesting comparison between Johnson and Ken Clarke.

Wallace was Clarkes' PPS and really liked and respected him, and he also likes Johnson, and served under him while Johnson was PM. He is unequivocal that Clarke was the Thatcherite, while Johnson is far more of a Keynesian, but that the Tory party, and wider politics to an extent, has muddied the waters of what's right and left by over-laying leave-remain on the normal spectrum, which somehow produces the result that Johnson is seen as more right wing than Clarke, which in economic terms is just delusional.