Serene
Slightly disgruntled
Building a wall to stop immigrants entering a country is a good place to start.
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breadandcircuse
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Don't forget he has the man with the bigliest brain on the planet this time, Musk
and Daddy Vlad interfering with bomb scares etc. Seriously I'm no conspiracy theorist nut, but something doesn't smell right.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Is that new?
What should I research to explain why a fascist was elected this time, but not all the other times?
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
Whether or not the actual president was overtly fascist or not, there has always been oppression of blacks and lgbtq people in the US.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
That would make half the EU fascist
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Oh, sure, again, no dispute from me there.
I just think it would be interesting/useful to consider why it's got this far this time. What conditions led to this outcome? What changed from previous elections?
Aside from anything else, if we simply say "it was always going to happen, nothing could have been done differently to change the outcome"... well, that just feels like there will never be anything we can do, and that's just bloody depressing.
I prefer to l believe that if we figure out how we got here, we might be able to figure out how to get back there.
Which, as you rightly point out, still wasn't great. But surely we'd agree that it's far easier to do the work when not also having to deal with a fasistic head of state/government?
Plus, some of what we learn might also help us getting away from there, too.
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
Off subject, but have you listened to ( I think its called ) Talk Radio on DAB? I have been listening for a week or so at around about 5pm in the evening on the way home from work and I havent ever heard such a program of fascism and hatred before on UK radio. It is genuinely shocking and disturbing. I cant believe they can say the things they say without being pulled.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Over the last few decades, there have been civil rights movements of various kinds that have achieved a large number of significant victories.
While I think the US celebrates itself far too much in this regard (to get rid of racist laws, you need to have racist laws in the first place - bit like the UK celebrating abolishing slavery), it's not a country that has not made progress.
In the US South the Democrats used to be the party of lynching and segregation abd in his younger days Biden was happy to collaborate with them.
"Mr Biden fondly recalled his working relationship after joining the Senate in the 1970s with two southern Democratic senators, Mississippi's James Eastland and Georgia's Herman Talmadge.
Mr Biden, 76, said at a fundraiser in New York City that Talmadge had called him "son" but never "boy", referring to how racist whites addressed black men at the time."
Biden refuses to apologise for working with racist senators
Amid a political firestorm, the top Democrat insists "there's not a racist bone in my body".www.google.com
Former Klansman, Robert Byrd who remained as a Democratic Senator until 2010, so overlapping the Obama Presidency, saying why he no longer supported segregation. Black grandparents have as much right to ask for water as white grandparents, apparently.
Eastland talking to President Johnston about the three civil rights campaigners murdered in Mississippi
Somewhat of an oversimplification, of course. This is quite a good overview of the whole picture:
Fact check: Yes, historians do teach that first Black members of Congress were Republicans
We rate a viral claim on Instagram partly false because it simplifies and misleads about the two political parties' complicated history on race.
www.usatoday.com
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
No. I should, or something like it, for exactly the reasons we've been talking about, but sadly I have quite a low tolerance in that context. See also: Question Time.
But yeah, what's discussed on talk radio (small t+r), how, and what isn't, obviously plays a part.
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