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[emanymton]

If I’m really honest with myself, I’m not even sure that I’m politically anti-tariff on principle. The biggest argument against them is surely that they risk raising prices for the ordinary citizen. But the thing in their favour is that they localise production. Since the increase in cost of purchase essentially comes from the higher wage cost of manufacture, it’s not obvious that the net effect is detrimental to the average worker (albeit that there are winners and losers in the distribution of the consequences). Of course, it fucks up conditions elsewhere, but that’s a completely different issue anyway.

Could even be considered a green policy as well, as it cuts down I transportation. But that assumes there is the manufacturing base and infrastructure in place to handle the shift in production.

I'm sure there is a sensible reasoned approach to increasing tariffs over time that could bring benefits.

But that's not on the cards with Trump.

 

[a_chap]

Yes getting rid of Obamacare for example is very popular with republicans, even poor ones. The Affordable Care Act gives them all the safety net they need and the wasteful Obamacare just goes too far

I assume (hope!) you're being ironic.

I mean you know that Obamacare is the Affordable Care Act, don't you...

 

[two sheds]

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I think there is too much focus being put on tariffs. I don't see them happening to anything like the scale claimed. They will announce some big numbers with lots of bluster, but in the detail they will be limited with lots of exceptions and loop holes.

Part of me wants them to totally tank their own economy so I can at least point and laugh while the word burns, but I don't see them doing a Truss.

Of course I could be completely wrong, they are fucking stupid after all.

Yes, Trump voters deserve to suffer the consequences of their diabolical conduct, it’s a shame that innocent people who didn’t support rape, pedophilia and fascism will be adversely affected though.

 

[emanymton]

Yes, Trump voters deserve to suffer the consequences of their diabolical conduct, it’s a shame that innocent people who didn’t support rape, pedophilia and fascism will be adversely affected though.

Yeah, I have zero sympathy for anyone who voted Trump suffering the consequences. But it will mostly fall on others. Still we can get some small joy when their vote smacks them in the face.

 

[NoXion]

If I’m really honest with myself, I’m not even sure that I’m politically anti-tariff on principle. The biggest argument against them is surely that they risk raising prices for the ordinary citizen. But the thing in their favour is that they localise production. Since the increase in cost of purchase essentially comes from the higher wage cost of manufacture, it’s not obvious that the net effect is detrimental to the average worker (albeit that there are winners and losers in the distribution of the consequences). Of course, it fucks up conditions elsewhere, but that’s a completely different issue anyway.

Anyway, the point being that I agree it is not necessarily good strategy to put your eggs in the basket of crowing about how bad Trump will be for “the economy”. People don’t ultimately care about some abstract “the economy”. They care about their economic circumstances. Two different things.

I'm not against tariffs as a matter of principle either. They can be an entirely valid part of a policy toolbox if implemented right. But I don't trust the Republicans to do that.

I think it's reasonable to predict that blanket tariffs will negatively impact the economic circumstances of many Americans. Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not crowing about it. It's going to suck if it happens, and not just for the Yanks. The ripple effects are also not going to be great news for people elsewhere.

 

[a_chap]

Deleted - posted in entirely the wrong topic!!



(it was this post, in case you're interested)

 

[Yossarian]

At the risk of being accused of posting "silly" vids, this is terrifying. He has enabled this shit, and they are all coming out of the woodwork. So he has his fellow Nazis to call on too. Why were there no arrests? This isn't freedom of speech, but hate crime. It was only a small group, but I have seen vids of much larger ones.

The vid is only a minute or so, so those who don't watch vids scroll past. This is not hijacking conversation, but showing evidence of what we are discussing, the frightening prospect of fascism ruling in the US.

Well done Columbus, Ohio

In body camera footage Columbus police released Monday, the neo-Nazis told police they had never experienced a response like the one they received in Columbus. They said people pulled guns on them and threw cans and vegetables as they marched, waved flags and yelled racial slurs. One of the officers noted the men were “covered in” pepper spray.

"We do this all over the U.S., and we’ve never been attacked like this, man,” the driver told police from his seat in the U-Haul.

Body cam footage: Neo-Nazis who marched in Short North claimed to be victims of violence

The neo-Nazis told police they had never received such a violent response as the one they received in Columbus, and claimed people threw cans and veggies.

www.dispatch.com

 

[tim]

Tell us what "woke" means

Cunts like you and me.

 

[taperoo2k]

I don't follow wrestling so I had no idea who McMahon was beyond knowing the name and having a vague sense he was a shithead. I've just started listening to the Behind the Bastards 4 part-er on him, in which the first episode just covers the history of pro wrestling in the USA. It's a parade of monsters as you might expect, but they keep saying McMahon is leagues ahead of these guys. When you know what's coming, from a quick glance at his wiki page, you almost feel like you shouldn't listen. The BTB presenters to a good job in pulling the story together for these scumbags, but it's a bit 'bro-ish'. But yeah, that's by the by, a fucking vile human being who embodies just about everything that follows from power and exploitation.

Vince McMahon is a piece of work to say the least. But he has no real influence on the WWE now, I think he holds less than 5% of shares in TKO.
I guess he's hoping Trump will make his legal woes go away.

 

[Ax^]

Id like to point out as I have before, the Hypocrisy in this place.
Yes the Guy is a cunt, but its nother example of body shaming getting a free pass if its directed at a cunt.
Don't waste your keyboards life trying to give me shit for repeatedly pointing out this hypocrisy though I know some can't resist, usually the supposed woke warriors (or so they believe themselves to be)...cos guess what, I think you're a twats too....P.S. Have a great day...twat

I'm sorry Russ is your position still everyone is to woke because you cannot get away with saying racist and sexist shite any more


aye hypocricy ya daft twat

 

[krtek a houby]

I'm sorry Russ is your position still everyone is to woke because you cannot get away with saying racist and sexist shite any more


aye hypocricy ya daft twat

He's such a hypocrite and a bigot; Trump's considering him for a position in his new cabinet.

 

[breadandcircuse]

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Well done Columbus, Ohio

In body camera footage Columbus police released Monday, the neo-Nazis told police they had never experienced a response like the one they received in Columbus. They said people pulled guns on them and threw cans and vegetables as they marched, waved flags and yelled racial slurs. One of the officers noted the men were “covered in” pepper spray.

"We do this all over the U.S., and we’ve never been attacked like this, man,” the driver told police from his seat in the U-Haul.

Body cam footage: Neo-Nazis who marched in Short North claimed to be victims of violence

The neo-Nazis told police they had never received such a violent response as the one they received in Columbus, and claimed people threw cans and veggies.

www.dispatch.com

Ha good on them.

I bet they wouldn't have risked the city of brotherly love, as their vile fellow travellers got their butts kicked when they showed up there a couple of years ago. More places need to do this.

 

[breadandcircuse]

Well I never, who'd a thunk it? Said no-one ever.

 

[pogofish]

I assume (hope!) you're being ironic.

I mean you know that Obamacare is the Affordable Care Act, don't you...

Am I right in remembering that the Affordable Care Act was based on legislation originally proposed by the dreaded Democrats, that may also have formed the basis of Obamacare - or is this some other Affordable Care Act that Trump just might have had hanging around?

 

[Ax^]

Obama brought in th affordable care act so got known as Obamacare by republican..

dumb republican voters saw Obama and went bad

not realising it what keep they from dying of die of betes . some people are going to have a rough time making the realisation

seriously this is a country were the poor have voted against healthcare protection because it is socialism..

the mind boggles

 

[NoXion]

Well I never, who'd a thunk it? Said no-one ever.

What's the summary of this video with an extremely clickbaity thumbnail?

 

[Serge Forward]

Woke - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Don't do Russ's homework for him

 

[two sheds]

Fucking hell you'd hope the CIA files on these poor fuckers will be 'lost' before Trump gets in

Trump’s return raises questions over future of CIA’s Russian recruitment drive

Intelligence agency has been trying to entice Russians disaffected by invasion of Ukraine but president-elect is likely to want to make an ally of Kremlin

www.theguardian.com

For the past three years, the CIA has run an unusually bold outreach programme. It targeted Russians within the country’s government and security services, attempting to turn them into double agents.

Slickly produced recruitment videos portrayed cooperation with the US secret agency as the patriotic choice for officials disaffected with Vladimir Putin’s regime and the war in Ukraine. The videos ended with instructions on how to contact the CIA in a secure manner.

 

[Wilf]

Guess MTG won't be releasing her files then

'They' probably got to her, threatened her with a tornado or something.

 

[breadandcircuse]

What's the summary of this video with an extremely clickbaity thumbnail?

That some computer security experts have written to Harris imploring her to take action on some decidedly dodgy stuff regarding the access to the software programmes etc. This isn't crying "fix" like the thing did, but some genuine concerns that they have had four years to work on this, with bad actors like Tina Peters, who is now behind bars for what she did.

 

[xenon]

'They' probably got to her, threatened her with a tornado or something.

Jewish space lasers.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Pretty sure that must count as body-shaming too.

You have big ears and a funny nose.

 

[Rompipalle]

You have big ears and a funny nose.

You've got funny marks on your face.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

You've got funny marks on your face.

I do. Thanks for noticing.

 

[krtek a houby]

Gorka's return is upsetting.

Gorka has spoken of his own religion in militaristic terms, including saying he and fellow Christian rightwingers are “not the lambs of the Bible; that is Jesus, our savior. We turn over the tables of the moneylenders. We are there when he calls, ‘Sell everything you own and buy a sword.’”

Last year, when Hamas attacked Israel, Gorka offered Israel advice: “Kill every single one of them. God bless Israel. God bless Judeo-Christian civilization.”

Trump’s Gorka pick met with outrage: he’s ‘as dangerous as he is unqualified’

Even among a host of TV personalities and alleged sex traffickers, far-right commentator is a step too far for some

www.theguardian.com

On a positive note, if there can be such a thing, it's upsetting other Republicans...

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Gorka's return is upsetting.

Trump’s Gorka pick met with outrage: he’s ‘as dangerous as he is unqualified’

Even among a host of TV personalities and alleged sex traffickers, far-right commentator is a step too far for some

www.theguardian.com

I heard him interviewed a couple of days ago. He claims that "Palestine" doesn't exist and was a "made up name by the Romans for the region."

 

[two sheds]

More on the future of press freedoms

Trump’s Eruption of Rage at NYT Offers Unnerving Hint of What’s Coming

As Trump rants at The Times after coverage of his creepy young aide, former Times public editor Margaret Sullivan reflects on what his press crackdown may look like—and how the media can respond.

newrepublic.com

This week, Donald Trump erupted in fury at The New York Times. He appeared triggered by a story about an aide named Natalie Harp, who serves as his gatekeeper with creepy levels of devotion. What caught our eye is that in his rant, Trump demanded that the Times show obeisance to him because he won the election, perhaps providing an early glimpse of how he will seek to cow the media into submission. We talked to Margaret Sullivan, the former Times public editor and author of the great Substack American Crisis, who explains what Trump’s crackdown on the press might look like—and how well the media will respond to it. Listen to this episode here. A transcript is here.

 

[krtek a houby]

He wasn't particularly good with the press the first time round. Not answering questions from some outlets and belittling others. This time, perhaps the more seasoned reporters will be prepared for battle.

 

[moochedit]

He wasn't particularly good with the press the first time round. Not answering questions from some outlets and belittling others. This time, perhaps the more seasoned reporters will be prepared for battle.

He'll probably only invite "friendly" media outlets to his press conferences (that's if he has any at all).