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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

bignose1 said:
Attack dogs....dirty fucking mischief making wankers. READ THROUGH THE FUCKING THREAD. Now fuck off Im having my tea.
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So it's the entire BTF thread that is the 'viscious vile crusade against the Purbick family' now is it?

And the book as well presumably?
 
bignose1 said:
Attack dogs....dirty fucking mischief making wankers. READ THROUGH THE FUCKING THREAD. Now fuck off Im having my tea.
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you see you haven't added anything of substance there to back up your earlier claim, you've just called people names

you might recall that I asked if you were able to expand on it, fill it out a bit more, give a flavour of the type of thing you are talking about, maybe even give an example or two?

in what way were these attack dogs employed, in what form did the dirty fucking mischief making wankers make this dirty fucking mischief?

what do you mean by 'straight in'?
 
Cros-posted from undercover cops thread:

not about kennedy, but other undercovers..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/03/police-spies-identities-dead-children

"Peter Black".
John-Dines-010.jpg


Was he in anything other than the... odd Youth Against Racism in Europe?
 
bignose1 said:
Attack dogs....dirty fucking mischief making wankers. READ THROUGH THE FUCKING THREAD. Now fuck off Im having my tea.
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If your 'finished your tea' let me remind you what you said last September:


" In my opinion if you are prepared to write a book about your(AFA) experiences then authenticate it with a legitimate authorship. Even more so when for the past 8 years the same people have continually undermined, lied. smeared and threatened those behind NR. Including the most foul behaviour towards Dave Hanns family. A dirty sick episode carried out by those said people who are now crying foul..."

Now, if your now saying the 'vile crusade' is represented by 'The FUCKING THREAD' alone, then why did you previously describe it as 'a dirty sick episode'?

Because an episode heavily lends itself to an actual 'foul event' or a series of them against the Hann family dosen't it?

And for that to have happened would mean direct contact being made with the family.

Which in turn invited readers to form a mental image of what those 'sick' incidents might have entailed.

So far so good from your perspective.

However where you slipped up is that the best black propaganda always has the kernel of truth in it on which to fabricate the bigger story. Not so in this case.

Entirely the product of your imagination.
 
Joe Reilly said:
If your 'finished your tea' let me remind you what you said last September:


" In my opinion if you are prepared to write a book about your(AFA) experiences then authenticate it with a legitimate authorship. Even more so when for the past 8 years the same people have continually undermined, lied. smeared and threatened those behind NR. Including the most foul behaviour towards Dave Hanns family. A dirty sick episode carried out by those said people who are now crying foul..."

Now, if your now saying the 'vile crusade' is represented by 'The FUCKING THREAD' alone, then why did you previously describe it as 'a dirty sick episode'?

Because an episode heavily lends itself to an actual 'foul event' or a series of them against the Hann family dosen't it?

And for that to have happened would mean direct contact being made with the family.

Which in turn invited readers to form a mental image of what those 'sick' incidents might have entailed.

So far so good from your perspective.

However where you slipped up is that the best black propaganda always has the kernel of truth in it on which to fabricate the bigger story. Not so in this case.

Entirely the product of your imagination.
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No shit Sherlock
 
from Vice article:
'Lying among the charred books strewn across the floor were a number of copies of Beating The Fascists, a history of AFA recently published by Freedom Press. The book is an uncomfortably violent read, detailing how half-bricks were used to convince young BNP members to pack it in.'
 
Fozzie Bear said:
Brian Whelan mentions BTF as part of a piece on Freedom getting attacked:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/who-firebombed-londons-oldest-anarchist-bookshop
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"The last time I stopped by the shop they had just been posted a copy of an ultra-nationalist magazine reviewing the book. Its admission of the ruthless tactics used to defeat the right had clearly touched some nerves. Embarrassed has-beens from Combat 18 could have come back to settle old scores, just last week they hosted a secret gig in London."

The news of the review may itself be significant because the far-right as a whole have managed to ignore near any mention BTF at all in the 2 years since publication. But why would they post the actual review to FP? Curious.
 
Joe Reilly said:
"The last time I stopped by the shop they had just been posted a copy of an ultra-nationalist magazine reviewing the book. Its admission of the ruthless tactics used to defeat the right had clearly touched some nerves. Embarrassed has-beens from Combat 18 could have come back to settle old scores, just last week they hosted a secret gig in London."

The news of the review may itself be significant because the far-right as a whole have managed to ignore near any mention BTF at all in the 2 years since publication. But why would they post the actual review to FP? Curious.
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I'd be interested to read the review.

I wonder why it's not made it online yet?
 
Red Storm said:
I'd be interested to read the review.

I wonder why it's not made it online yet?
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So would I as it happens. The one exception to the apparant blanket ban on any mention of BTF on the far-right, including more than one attempt to start a thread on stormfront being blocked for instance, was Joey Owens on the rather obscure VNN (is it?) site. He started off by claiming he was mentioned in it a few times which he was rightly ridiculed for. Then the thread grew more interesting with discussions about the book including various character profiles of activists on our side. I went out for a couple of jars and when I checked in the following morning someone had taken the edotorial decision to roll up the thread back to where the slagging off of joey owens ended. And that was that. End of discussion.
 
Joe Reilly said:
So would I as it happens. The one exception to the apparant blanket ban on any mention of BTF on the far-right, including more than one attempt to start a thread on stormfront being blocked for instance, was Joey Owens on the rather obscure VNN (is it?) site. He started off by claiming he was mentioned in it a few times which he was rightly ridiculed for. Then the thread grew more interesting with discussions about the book including various character profiles of activists on our side. I went out for a couple of jars and when I checked in the following morning someone had taken the edotorial decision to roll up the thread back to where the slagging off of joey owens ended. And that was that. End of discussion.
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I saw that thread but I remember reading it more than once.

Joey Owen's must think a lot of himself. He googles himself so much he's the Anti-Fascist Archive's 4th highest search referral.
 
really, thats hilarious! he was fucked off from stormfront for being a bugle and then he went over to VNN but got a lot of flack for writing EVERYTHING in CAPITALS and in BOLD calling everyone a SNITCH. his 'autobiography' is appalling.
 
Red Storm said:
I don't know to be honest. I just remember seeing it and linking it a few times.

Liam Pinkham was talking about a group of Manchester anti-fascists confronting him in Liverpool, that's why I remember it.
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The un-edited flagged the names (more than one of whom you interviewed for your dissertation) of a number of what they considered to be anti-fascist standard bearers of the time and ruminated on their places in the food chain and so on....
 
Joe Reilly said:
The un-edited flagged the names (more than one of whom you interviewed for your dissertation) of a number of what they considered to be anti-fascist standard bearers of the time and ruminated on their places in the food chain and so on....
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Ah, I didn't see that version.

I remember only seeing Dessie Noonan mentioned. Although I think I first read it before I knew about the people associated with BtF.
 
bignose1 said:
No shit Sherlock
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'No shit Sherlock' is the kind of shameless response you'd expect from the likes of Jimmy Saville on being confronted on his prediliction for underage girls.

But in the wider scheme of things, it is probabaly the nearest we are ever going to get to whats amounts to a guilty plea, on this forum at least.

Now that we've put the evil crusade against the Purbick family to bed can I draw your attention to a remark you made on Jan 14:

The sentence of most interest is underlined.

"I know it sounds a bit wet but I think you need to have some normal mates. Dave and his family became close friends and I have defended Dave against the allegations made by OShea etc because I know them to be untrue....not because he's a pal.

They concocted a smear campaign after they were found out to have lied about it. I dont expect those who have been behind the most recent attacks on him and his ex partner to show ny let up. No doubt any review they may write will all be about them and their absolute inability to let their bruised ego's recover from the fact that others had the audacity to write a book on a subject they feel they own. Crivvens. (c)

What is it we 'were found out to have lied about'? In your own time.
 
Joe Reilly said:
'No shit Sherlock' is the kind of shameless response you'd expect from the likes of Jimmy Saville on being confronted on his prediliction for underage girls.

But in the wider scheme of things, it is probabaly the nearest we are ever going to get to whats amounts to a guilty plea, on this forum at least.

Now that we've put the evil crusade against the Purbick family to bed can I draw your attention to a remark you made on Jan 14:

The sentence of most interest is underlined.

"I know it sounds a bit wet but I think you need to have some normal mates. Dave and his family became close friends and I have defended Dave against the allegations made by OShea etc because I know them to be untrue....not because he's a pal.

They concocted a smear campaign after they were found out to have lied about it. I dont expect those who have been behind the most recent attacks on him and his ex partner to show ny let up. No doubt any review they may write will all be about them and their absolute inability to let their bruised ego's recover from the fact that others had the audacity to write a book on a subject they feel they own. Crivvens. (c)

What is it we 'were found out to have lied about'? In your own time.
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You hounded and threatened Dave when he was alive and you continued posthumously to deliver your killer blows when he was no longer here to defend himself so his family were easy targets to continue your crusade. You are by far the most despicanble creatue Ive come across in recent times and thats saying somthing.

Your own skeletons should make you think very closely about potential 'unsubstantiated allegations'. I think you are in denial because of this so I would advise you to go away and re appraise your tack.
 
bignose1 said:
You hounded and threatened Dave when he was alive and you continued posthumously to deliver your killer blows when he was no longer here to defend himself so his family were easy targets to continue your crusade. You are by far the most despicanble creatue Ive come across in recent times and thats saying somthing.

Your own skeletons should make you think very closely about potential 'unsubstantiated allegations'. I think you are in denial because of this so I would advise you to go away and re appraise your tack.
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Ok. So again there actually was no 'lie'. It follows there can be no 'being found out' either?

Accordingly the 'smear campaign concocted to cover the non-existent lie' falls.

Just something else, as with the entirely fictitious 'crusade against the Purbicks' you have just made up as you go along, didn't you?

Not only that, but you throw in a couple of - fresh allegations.

The last time I set eyes on Dave was probably 1995.

I have had no contact with him since.

Not in person, not by email, not by phone.

So once again I invite you to expand on the allegations that I personally 'hounded and threatened' him?
 
Fozzie Bear said:
Brian Whelan mentions BTF as part of a piece on Freedom getting attacked:
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/who-firebombed-londons-oldest-anarchist-bookshop
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On another thread: "If you ask Freedom they can confirm that when threatened with legal action by a certain NUJ activist to reveal the names of the authors of Beating The Fascists (I had interviewed them to promote the book) I chose to pay out of my own pocket rather than compromise the authors. I also offered support to Freedom and the authors when my situation was resolved." Brian Whelan

The NUJ activist in question was Hoffman who offered to waive the £400 if Whelan cooperated. Not dissimilar /threats/offers were made FP staff individually and collectively. Their refusal to play ball cost them £4000.

Oh, did I forget to mention that Hoffman is a Searchlight photographer?
 
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