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Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

bignose1 said:
Afraid his bros old boss did Stevie along with others...quite a name for it. This is a man who surrounded himself with bullies and unfortunately you have to accept that when you associate with those same people its going to rub off. He was a bully...ask him why he used to twat those two brothers for no reason in Hulme everytime he saw them.....shameful. And ask him when I met him in 'his' pub after not seeing him in over 15 years+ his almost first words were..'''should see the crew weve got now''...what....at 50 years of age ffs. For your record I dont do drugs and as many know during my active street period in politics up to about 95/6 never drank. That said I was well placed to observe people who did.

I went off Porky with his anti English shite. Heres a man living in Manchester, shagging an English bird..studying /signing/working....in Manchester. But would come out with '' I'd support any team against England and that includes South Africa'' ( who were still shooting blacks then) and Israel...(who continue to shoot people) And he meant it. But the clincher came when he tried the hard man and tried to bollock me for some nonsense. This being after Id given his fat arse a place to live. Regards the dope smoking...no problem...not my way but if you saw him around the time he went to India it was truly shocking. How much damage was being done prior and how much judgement went out the window?

Ive had a rake of people slagging me for defending friends etc but you fellah have just done the same when you know there were issues to do with his reliability and if youre a good friend..and I'm sure you are still then you WILL know. Therefore what Porky has to say on the matter can not be sustained.

This doesnt say that in civilian life hes not a decent likeable lad. Politically however he was wrong to take me to task and do others dirty work..well out of his depth esp regards the subject matter and its consequences.

It goes to say if he hadn't got involved in the debate about Louise's intentions he wouldnt have got such a shit report off me.
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No wonder you and porky never hit it off in that diamond midfield we had
 
The39thStep said:
No wonder you and porky never hit it off in that diamond midfield we had
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We were ok actually and G's mate Dave C(sweet left foot) was a pretty handy m/fielder, however getting them up for a ten start was a problem at times though when we switched to PM got slightly better ( or was that Red Dynamo) Fuck it. G was as I say and C his missus good people but it went sour as Ive outlined.

I will say when DH got involved with that Mark guy I didnt like it esp when he turned up at my house with some black guy demanding names and adresses and photos so they could gom and bash some fash. This was 12 at nihght so al;arm bells went off. Enough to say they were told where to get off. I think Gerry felt a bit put out by Daves new mate, me I thought he wasnt right. But I sincerely dont believe as has been mooted on here they went on a student bashing or taxing the pink pound spree. I was however told things started to get out of hand with the fash hunting in town. Of which Gerry played a part from time to time. But then so did a few others.
 
bignose1 said:
I will say when DH got involved with that Mark guy I didnt like it esp when he turned up at my house with some black guy demanding names and adresses and photos so they could gom and bash some fash. This was 12 at nihght so al;arm bells went off...

... I was however told things started to get out of hand with the fash hunting in town.
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You have just conceded the central plank of your opposition's argument.

That...

a) Dave had lost the run of himself

b) That he was involved in some dubious, self-serving, nocturnal activity

c) That this decline was not a quantum leap from Hollywood good guy to Pantomime villain... it was... as these things tend to be... a lot of small things which went unconnected/undetected that eventually snowballed... as these things tend to do.

Thus rendering most of the frothing on this thread as redundant as it is... ahem... unbecoming.
 
And you really should consider posting something more appropriate and three dimensional about Porky - something that focusses on his considerable political contribution rather than his liking for a bit of puff.

He was/is a genuine, gentle soul and a good friend as well as a fine political activist.
 
manny-p said:
Tell me to fuck off if you guys want. But can't all this be put behind youse now? Pretty depressing to read and it's all in the public domain.
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bignose1 said:
Youre right Manny but these guys dont let up.....their harassment of an honest well intentioned principled woman and mother is one of the most disgraceful things Ive seen. A concerted hate campaign being run by a small band of malcontents with no influence anymore who have emabarked on this crusade because they have nothing else to offer
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0f course i can see your point 'mp' we all can. But take for instance the most recent allegation of 'a hate campaign against a principled woman'?

It is 100 per cent fiction.

Entirely made up.

Not a scintilla of truth in it.

Now do we allow this smear to go unchallenged and risk the credulous believing there is 'smoke without fire' or do we call them on it?

And if we decide to rise above it, do we also choose to ignore the counter factual narrative (that has purchase outside of this thread) that it was in fact AFA and not the BNP that abandoned the struggle for the streets?

And if we do that then it might be argued that even BTF was a mistake - 'opening up old wounds - washing dirty linen in public' and so forth.

So the question that needs to answered is this: whose interests are served by a substantial period of silence from AFA's founding members on a dedicated thread to 'Beating the Fascists'?
 
LiamO said:
And you really should consider posting something more appropriate and three dimensional about Porky - something that focusses on his considerable political contribution rather than his liking for a bit of puff.

He was/is a genuine, gentle soul and a good friend as well as a fine political activist.
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And who along with others has contributed to the trashing of my contribution.....yes?
 
Joe Reilly said:
0f course i can see your point 'mp' we all can. But take for instance the most recent allegation of 'a hate campaign against a principled woman'?

It is 100 per cent fiction.

Entirely made up.

Not a scintilla of truth in it.

Now do we allow this smear to go unchallenged and risk the credulous believing there is 'smoke without fire' or do we call them on it?

And if we decide to rise above it, do we also choose to ignore the counter factual narrative (that has purchase outside of this thread) that it was in fact AFA and not the BNP that abandoned the struggle for the streets?

And if we do that then it might be argued that even BTF was a mistake - 'opening up old wounds' and so forth.

So the question that needs to answered is this: whose interests are served by a substantial period of silence from AFA's founding members on a dedicated thread to 'Beating the Fascists'?
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But you introduce this ridiculous claim that Searchlight have been behind it all. This is very lazy and constant fantasising and incessant personalisation/demonisation demonstrates your culpability in attempting to lead anti fascsim down a cul de sac.
 
bignose1 said:
But you introduce this ridiculous claim that Searchlight have been behind it all. This is very lazy and constant fantasising and incessant personalisation/demonisation clouds your culpability in attempting to lead anti fascsim down a cul de sac.
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Why not tell us about the evil crusade against Miz Purbick?
 
LiamO said:
And you really should consider posting something more appropriate and three dimensional about Porky - something that focusses on his considerable political contribution rather than his liking for a bit of puff.

He was/is a genuine, gentle soul and a good friend as well as a fine political activist.
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Thats what they said about a certain other well known Manchester anti-fascist...
 
bignose1 said:
You can try and be clever but you will always fail.
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It's not being clever. It's a simple question.

When you brought this up for the first time a few months back I called you on it then and you disappeared of the thread for a couple of months.

So I am now affording you a second opportunity to expand on your accussation that we ran 'evil and disgraceful campaign against the Purbick family'?
 
And for those who dont give a fuck either way and who are keeping out of this....a person loses their partner of 15 years ..her 2 kids are grieving their dad and these twats are straight in. Fuck off.
 
bignose1 said:
And for those who dont give a fuck either way and who are keeping out of this....a person loses their partner of 15 years ..her 2 kids are grieving their dad and these twats are straight in. Fuck off.
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So there was no 'vile and viscious campaign' was there.

You just made it up didn't you?
 
bignose1 said:
I will say when DH got involved with that Mark guy I didnt like it esp when he turned up at my house with some black guy demanding names and adresses and photos so they could gom and bash some fash. This was 12 at nihght so al;arm bells went off. Enough to say they were told where to get off. I think Gerry felt a bit put out by Daves new mate, me I thought he wasnt right. But I sincerely dont believe as has been mooted on here they went on a student bashing or taxing the pink pound spree. I was however told things started to get out of hand with the fash hunting in town. Of which Gerry played a part from time to time. But then so did a few others.
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So Dave did mug the fella but it wasn't because he was gay or a student?
 
bignose1 said:
And for those who dont give a fuck either way and who are keeping out of this...
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No point in pleading for someone else to back you up - this accusation is exclusive to you...

Again for the upteenth time, I repeat, did we 'run a vile viscious and disgusting campaign against the Purbick family' or did you just make it up?
 
bignose1 said:
And for those who dont give a fuck either way and who are keeping out of this....a person loses their partner of 15 years ..her 2 kids are grieving their dad and these twats are straight in. Fuck off.
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for the benefit of those who don't give a fuck either way and who are keeping out of it, what exactly do you mean by the 'straight in' in your post above?

can you expand on it, fill it out a bit more, give a flavour of the type of thing you are talking about, maybe even an example or two?
 
ayatollah said:
A few people around in the 1990's still bear a grudge at the destructuion of the AFA Network that RA/IWCA's attempt to convert it to a (non-socialist) local campaigning political party caused.
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I suppose its asking too much that you put an actual date to your claim that ' the AFA network was deconstructed'.
 
love detective said:
for the benefit of those who don't give a fuck either way and who are keeping out of it, what exactly do you mean by the 'straight in' in your post above?

can you expand on it, fill it out a bit more, give a flavour of the type of thing you are talking about, maybe even an example or two?
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You know what I mean.....smart arse
 
I don't actually and neither does anyone reading this

So for the benefit of us all, flesh it out, put some meat on the bones, what exactly do you mean by the 'straight in'?

can you expand on it, fill it out a bit more, give a flavour of the type of thing you are talking about, maybe even an example or two?
 
love detective said:
I don't actually and neither does anyone reading this

So for the benefit of us all, flesh it out, put some meat on the bones, what exactly do you mean by the 'straight in'?

can you expand on it, fill it out a bit more, give a flavour of the type of thing you are talking about, maybe even an example or two?
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Attack dogs....dirty fucking mischief making wankers. READ THROUGH THE FUCKING THREAD. Now fuck off Im having my tea.
 
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