8ball
#notallwomenz
The fact that someone isn’t on your “team” doesn’t automatically make them your enemy.
The fact that someone is on your team doesn’t necessarily mean they are your friend.
I think I may have committed urban sacrilege…
"Victims of grooming gangs want action"...headline today on the BBC
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The fact that someone isn’t on your “team” doesn’t automatically make them your enemy.
The fact that someone is on your team doesn’t necessarily mean they are your friend.
I think I may have committed urban sacrilege…
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
There isn't a single thing I have ever said on this site that I would retract. And there is not a single thing you could quote me having said that contains any hatred whatsoever, even though that is what you are implying.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I'd say that there is something in between 'beyond reasonable doubt' and 'on the balance of probabiliities'. Something like 'strong prima facie cause'. In practice, I suspect that this is what 'on the balance of probabilities' actually amounts to most of the time.
PTK
Paul Kegan
All I can say is that your name is going down in my little black and red notebook. Just hope that the revolution does not come in your lifetime.
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
Also, how does any of that relate to this topic?
Edited to add: actually just ignore this comment. I don't want to derail the conversation.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I have not made any such presumptions as i do not know them.
I have however read quotes from a letter co-signed by three of the Telford survivors that say those who ‘weaponise our pain for their own ends or political gain” should “hang their heads in shame”.
‘We stand by Jess’: Telford survivors criticise Musk’s attack on Phillips
Exclusive: Victims of male violence sign letter praising minister for devoting life to ‘fighting for women and girls’
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
So do many people; you don't have the right to speak for others who have first hand experience of abuse.
Well, you do, but then people have the right to pull you up on it.
8ball
#notallwomenz
No one here thinks that is a tolerable state of affairs. We are arguing that some of the most obvious solutions that spring to mind also lead to dark places.
Ps: apologies if I’ve spoken for some posters out of turn
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
I wouldn't presume to interpret your emotions, or whatever passes for emotions in the boggy mess that inhabits your skull. I said nothing about hatred. But you are a fuckwit racist, as anyone looking at your posts can see.
PTK
Paul Kegan
Well, you do claim that these rapes were racist acts.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Just makes me wonder why he writes for The Mail. I heard him interviewed recently on Al Jazeera while he was visiting the West Bank. He was a powerful advocate for the Palestinian cause. I do find it a bit odd.
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
I have not made any such presumptions as i do not know them.
I have however read quotes from a letter co-signed by three of the Telford survivors that say those who ‘weaponise our pain for their own ends or political gain” should “hang their heads in shame”.
‘We stand by Jess’: Telford survivors criticise Musk’s attack on Phillips
Exclusive: Victims of male violence sign letter praising minister for devoting life to ‘fighting for women and girls’www.theguardian.com
Both my position and yours are held by the people abused. Both positions should be allowed to be aired.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
And there are plenty of men who'll philosophise on their situation and talk over them and talk on their behalf.
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
I'm tempted to put you on ignore but I feel it necessary to see the views of people like you. Your attitude is exactly what led to so many people gstting let off scott free. It's actually despicable.
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The main body goes onto a more detail also summerised in key findings
Key findings: • Research on offender ethnicity is limited, and tends to rely on poor quality data. It is therefore difficult to draw conclusions about differences in ethnicity of offenders, but it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending. • A number of studies have indicated an over-representation of Asian and Black offenders in group-based CSE. Most of the same studies show that the majority of offenders are White
That's what the executive summary says.
The main body goes onto a more detail also summerised in key findings
Key findings: • Research on offender ethnicity is limited, and tends to rely on poor quality data. It is therefore difficult to draw conclusions about differences in ethnicity of offenders, but it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending. • A number of studies have indicated an over-representation of Asian and Black offenders in group-based CSE. Most of the same studies show that the majority of offenders are White
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Did you read this link at all, burtabraham ?Indeed; the Rotherham thread would be a useful read for anyone new to the topic or unsure about why the police were so bad at their job...
Rotherham child rape gangs: At least 1400 victims
The majority White community of course. Were Savile and the others Pakistani? but that in itself's a bit dodge as "white" might be polish, irish, or italian. it's like saying asian, which might be turkish or might be yakut.www.urban75.net
8ball
#notallwomenz
I’m not sure whether it is odd or not tbf.
What is considered a right or left wing stance and the topics emphasised by different publications seems to be something that has been fairly elastic over a career-length timeline.
BristolEcho
Well-Known Member
His book the Fate of Abraham explains this in detail and is a good book that covers the demonisation of Muslim people in the UK and America. He also explains how he got to his position now from someone who was very proud of the empire etc. I went into it blind and thought it was a good book. He also covers this subject.
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You're talking about a judicial culture of railroading and outcry. You are doing more harm than good.
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burtabraham
Well-Known Member
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
I've no idea what you mean by railroading and outcry, sorry.
Railroading: rushed legal process and undue pressure in shabby courts.
Outcry: court of public opinion whipped up, not necessarily reasonable.
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
I disagree that my position corresponds to either of those things.
I disagree.
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
I guess we will have to agree to disagree then
You can do.
also worth remember in all of this and reform member/ tommy Robinson fanbois might not like it but guess which ethnicity is most like to be a sex offender
source is a freedom of information request from the justice department with figures to 2020 btw**
Stats like these are not so meaningful or useful as you might think ... in a UK society that has a 2021 census citing the population of white men as 10 times that of for example Asian men. Your interpretation is not correct.
Look..Aladdin the figure of white sex offender and sex offender with convictions for offences is higher than the 10 percent variance you just remarked upon
oh they are just more white people does not match the figures I'm sorry to say
Male and female populations
According to the 2021 Census, there were 30.4 million (51.0%) women and girls and 29.2 million (49.0%) men and boys in England and Wales.
Do I have to do this??
10000 white men convicted. Out of a population of 23,847,340
white men (not including people who are white Irish* or white other* is not what you think it is.
Do I need to now compare convictions of the other ethnic groups in relation to their population size ? Don't make me do this.
*census terminology not mine
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