There was one in Greater Manchester that was in the press and it was historic child abuse, the boys are adults now. Didn't get as much coverage, but it was pretty big.
"Victims of grooming gangs want action"...headline today on the BBC
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Ax^
Silly Rabbit
hmm so you have a bad memory you stated you send innocent people to jail if it meant most of the guilty got what was coming to them
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
go find a thread about capital punishment to have a slow wank over mate ..
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Was that the Altrincham Grammar School for Boys case?
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
I can and I don't live in their minds. If you read the original thread, there's plenty of evidence to show why. It's the reasons why all men rape and abuse.
They did it because men feel they have ownership over women. They believed they had the right to do what they did. They felt entitled. They felt they weren't accorded the status they should have as men. They took what they wanted. Power, dominance, control, gratification. As usual.
Race, class, misogyny all played a role in how; gender and patriarchy are the why.
To deny that race was an element in the contempt, control and distancing is ridiculous; to say it's the reason these children were raped is both ridiculous and racist.
They were raped because they were young, vulnerable girls; preyed on by gangs of men who raped them because they could.
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
I think that a system that is based on the principle that it is better that ten guilty men go free that one innocent person gets locked up, is an unjust and immoral system. Does that mean I want innocent people to go to prison? Of course not. The ideal is of course that no innocent person gets locked up, and no guilty person goes free. I don't think we have got as close to that ideal as we can yet.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
wires crossed spy that remark was not intended for you
I think so.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Yes. Hence why a public inquiry need to be independent and to look into all of the rape gangs. The biggest gang in the West Midlands for example (below) hasn’t been mentioned this week.
Class, gender, race. No stone unturned.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Shades of the Post Office scandal and the length of time that took to obtain any kind of justice, even imperfect.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
Do you think that race was an element in the turning a blind eye situations that occurred?
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
This, absolutely. Also they need to look into the police, the social workers, the local counsellors, judges, politicians, journalists, and anyone else that gave cover for these crimes. From head to toe this country is morally corrupted by this issue.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Yes - I think that's been proved (at least anecdotally) hasn't it?
LakieLady
Well-Known Member
I think we have quite enough miscarriages of justice when the current burden of proof is used, tbh. All those sub-postmasters were found guilty "beyond reasonable doubt".
If it was reduced to "balance of probabilities", there'd be even more.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
I've not read all this yet but skimmed the opening - Aladdin, burtabraham; could be of interest re: race/ethnicity?
blogs.lse.ac.uk
The grooming gang debate: Navigating race, politics, and justice in the UK
Amidst recurring waves of public discourse on grooming gangs in the UK, Professor Tahir Abbas examines the construction of the problem, the role of ethnicity, the impact of media and political biases, and the systemic failures that have allowed CSE to persist.
blogs.lse.ac.uk
burtabraham
Well-Known Member
They were found guilty because the evidence was covered up. That would have still happened regardless of what the conviction criteria.
I've not read all this yet but skimmed the opening - Aladdin, burtabraham; could be of interest re: race/ethnicity?
The grooming gang debate: Navigating race, politics, and justice in the UK
Amidst recurring waves of public discourse on grooming gangs in the UK, Professor Tahir Abbas examines the construction of the problem, the role of ethnicity, the impact of media and political biases, and the systemic failures that have allowed CSE to persist.
I just want victims of child abuse to be treated properly. To be believed.. I want adults to be believed when they stand up for victims. I want victims helped intead of being ignored. I want victims helped instead of being blamed.
A child being raped does not care about the colour of the skin of the person raping them.
A child being raped doesn't care about the rapists politics. Or their background. Or their religion. Or any of the things that this thread has ended up discussing.
Children deserve better.
Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
Yes and?
Me too. So do all of us.
Your OP asked: Was there a fear of racial tensions if perpetrators were prosecuted? Was that "fear" greater than the care for victims?
The blog I posted might have some answers or it might not.
We could discuss amongst ourselves; share info and experiences. Or we could just endlessly repeat how awful it all is and post truisms like 'children deserve better'. If you want to do the latter, go for it; I thought we were doing the former.
Ok
Sorry..
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Sweet FA
✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
No need; apologies for being a bit of a nob in my response
I completely agree with you though; girls and women at the centre of these cases should also be at the centre of the consultation re: protection and prevention.
I've read that blog. Interesting ...and informative... thanks Sweet FA . I hope more information becomes available.
This next article came up on further searching. It's from a channel.4 fact check article. References CEOP. Child Exploitation and Online Protection. 2017.
www.channel4.com
It discusses type 1 abusers and type 2 abusers. Type 1 .
Type 1” group abuse involves targeting a victim, or victims, based on their vulnerability.
Type 2” group abusers are defined as having “a longstanding sexual interest in children”.
The only mention of race indicates towards whites and Asians.
But the information is possibly of interest to the thread readers. I'm not equipped to delve thoroughly. But it does state that in their research 100% of Type 1 abusers prosecuted pedophiles were white. That's one figure. It seems unbiased as a report.
Here's a quote ..
"75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian.
17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population.
There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse.
100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white.
Type 1 groups tend to be larger: the majority involve groups of four abusers, compared to Type 2 abusers, who tend to act in pairs. That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)
It’s worth saying that CEOP itself doesn’t believe this data is a comprehensive picture of group abuse and exploitation in the UK. They warn against drawing too many conclusions from this data."
What do we know about the ethnicity of sexual abuse gangs?
I did try to find the actual CEOP reports. But the link in the article to CEOP was going to a missing site page.
This next article came up on further searching. It's from a channel.4 fact check article. References CEOP. Child Exploitation and Online Protection. 2017.
What do we know about the ethnicity of sexual abuse gangs?
FactCheck looks at what we know about the ethnicity of sexual abuse gangs.
www.channel4.com
It discusses type 1 abusers and type 2 abusers. Type 1 .
Type 1” group abuse involves targeting a victim, or victims, based on their vulnerability.
Type 2” group abusers are defined as having “a longstanding sexual interest in children”.
The only mention of race indicates towards whites and Asians.
But the information is possibly of interest to the thread readers. I'm not equipped to delve thoroughly. But it does state that in their research 100% of Type 1 abusers prosecuted pedophiles were white. That's one figure. It seems unbiased as a report.
Here's a quote ..
"75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian.
17 per cent of Type 1 offenders were white, compared to 86 per cent of the UK population.
There were six recorded cases of Type 2 group abuse.
100 per cent of recorded Type 2 group offenders, who abuse children because of long-standing paedophilic interest, are white.
Type 1 groups tend to be larger: the majority involve groups of four abusers, compared to Type 2 abusers, who tend to act in pairs. That means in terms of raw figures, there are more Asian men carrying out group abuse than white men (229 compared to 70)
It’s worth saying that CEOP itself doesn’t believe this data is a comprehensive picture of group abuse and exploitation in the UK. They warn against drawing too many conclusions from this data."
What do we know about the ethnicity of sexual abuse gangs?
I did try to find the actual CEOP reports. But the link in the article to CEOP was going to a missing site page.
No need; apologies for being a bit of a nob in my response
I completely agree with you though; girls and women at the centre of these cases should also be at the centre of the consultation re: protection and prevention.
You weren't a nob ..
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