"Victims of grooming gangs want action"...headline today on the BBC

[Aladdin]

do it pls

No Ax^ . I'll be labelled a racist if I start doing that.

Eta. I suspect % of convictions for all groups will be similar.

 

[lazythursday]

The whole 'people didn't report it / tackle it because they were scared of being labelled racist thing' - I know that there is plenty of evidence of this in some of the famous cases - Rochdale, Rotherham etc. But these are all now well over ten years old - as well as all of the inquiries, there a have been many many court cases, reports, huge volumes written about all this in the press, TV dramas etc. Is there really any evidence that this continues to be an issue - surely every social worker, policeman and youth worker is thoroughly aware of this type of CSE now?

 

[Aladdin]

The whole 'people didn't report it / tackle it because they were scared of being labelled racist thing' - I know that there is plenty of evidence of this in some of the famous cases - Rochdale, Rotherham etc. But these are all now well over ten years old - as well as all of the inquiries, there a have been many many court cases, reports, huge volumes written about all this in the press, TV dramas etc. Is there really any evidence that this continues to be an issue - surely every social worker, policeman and youth worker is thoroughly aware of this type of CSE now?

No idea. But I don't believe all police, social workers , teachers are capable of keep pushing a case if they're told there's no evidence by a higher up.

I think the victims still need to be compensated.... I'm more interested in why the victims are still fighting for justice 10..15..years on.

 

[xenon]

One reason why Rotherham makes me angry is because SYP are involved, and I'm a supporter of the Hillsborough Justice Campaign. SYP have failed yet another group of people, and this time it's on a worse scale because there were thousands of victims and many of them were kids.

And violence against women has been declared a national emergency, and the grooming gangs are part of that epidemic. They and Tate are two cheeks of the same arse, they all view women as property. Btw Sas, remember that Nazir Afzal was the guy who prosecuted many of these people. Not all Muslims are dangerous.

And this is well worth a listen. Interview with Nazir Afzal:

Full Disclosure With James O'Brien: The man who prosecuted the Rochdale grooming gang

The man who prosecuted the Rochdale sex trafficking gang is James O'Brien's guest in this fascinating episode of Full Disclosure.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[PTK]

From the testimony of a survivor:

That was not the motive, though, was it? These men did not rape these children, and sell them to others out a racist motivation, though, did they? They did it because they wanted sexual gratification and money.

 

[burtabraham]

That was not the motive, though, was it? These men did not rape these children, and sell them to others out a racist motivation, though, did they? They did it because they wanted sexual gratification and money.

According to the CPS:

Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:

• demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity, or
• been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity

The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes: "Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

Ther perpetrators clearly demonstrated hostility based on both race and religion, and both victims and third parties have perceived the offences to be motivated by such hostility. Therefore, they are hate crimes.

 

[PTK]

According to the CPS:




Ther perpetrators clearly demonstrated hostility based on both race and religion, and both victims and third parties have perceived the offences to be motivated by such hostility. Therefore, they are hate crimes.

Racism was not the motive, though, was it?

 

[Aladdin]

That was not the motive, though, was it? These men did not rape these children, and sell them to others out a racist motivation, though, did they? They did it because they wanted sexual gratification and money.

Personally I don't give a flying fuck WHY they did what they did.
I just watched the documentary about Rotherham.
The girls were not believed. They were let down by the police and those in positions of power. Victim blaming all the way. The men who did these rapes were given lee way after leeway including one man let off because he objected to an all white jury...implying he would not get a fair trial because the jury would be biased against him.

This shit was horrendous.
The victims were not believed for years. Their lives were fucked up. They live with this trauma at the hands of men who persisted in grooming and raping them and sharing them around. The rapes were brutal assaults. Raped with objects including a broken bottle.
One girl was raped 1000 times she says all the girls she knew were the same they thought this was normal.

I want justice for all of them.
The men who committed these rapes in Rotherham and elsewhere should never see the light of day imo.

 

[burtabraham]

Racism was not the motive, though, was it?

There were multiple motives, and one of them was racial hatred.

 

[Aladdin]

Racism was not the motive, though, was it?

Unless you live in the minds of the men who committed these crimes you won't know why they did this to predominantly white young girls.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

The contempt towards vulnerable white girls was definitely a factor.

 

[PTK]

There were multiple motives, and one of them was racial hatred.

No. There is no evidence for that.

 

[burtabraham]

No. There is no evidence for that.

Not according to the law.

 

[burtabraham]

Once again:

Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:

• demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity,

or

• been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity

The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes: "Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

They clearly demonstrated hostility via their words, and this has led to the victims perceiving the crimes as motivated by racial/religious hartred. Therefore, whether you like it or not, these are hate crimes and should have an increased sentence attached.

 

[Lotte]

I'd say targeting white girls because they think white girls are easy/slags, and calling them white whores and white cunts does have a racial component to it.

How can you be a 'good Muslim' if you're fucking an underage girl behind your wife's back? Because she's white and white girls aren't really human?

 

[Ax^]

bit the man who is in jail for

I'd say targeting white girls because they think white girls are easy/slags, and calling them white whores and white cunts does have a racial component to it.

How can you be a 'good Muslim' if you're fucking an underage girl behind your wife's back? Because she's white and white girls aren't really human?

men fucking underage girls will find any excuse to explain their behaviour..

 

[xenon]

Denying there was a racist aspect to this and dancing round it makes you look foolish. Race, class, misogyny all played a part.

 

[Aladdin]

I don't really want to watch the rest of the documentary. It's extremely upsetting. The adult women who tried to help and had shitloads of evidence ..even the woman who was investigating these cases...were talked down to by police and dismissed out of hand. One was given a verbal dressing down...shouted at.. by police for daring to write to the police commissioner....
It smacks of exactly the shit that was real for women trying to speak out throughout the 90s and 2000s. I can relate so much to that.. women were not listened to...dismissed...told they were trouble makers for speaking up. And these women were pretty much told to shut up. It's an appalling picture of what all women had to put up with..

The government needs to make sure all victims are supported and that this never happens again.

 

[Ax^]

this government or the last government who are pushing for another review?

 

[Aladdin]

this government or the last government who are pushing for another review?

I don't believe another review is needed.
The powers that be should be helping all victims and should start by compensating victims.

 

[Ax^]

think we can all agree on that one

 

[Lotte]

I don't really want to watch the rest of the documentary. It's extremely upsetting. The adult women who tried to help and had shitloads of evidence ..even the woman who was investigating these cases...were talked down to by police and dismissed out of hand. One was given a verbal dressing down...shouted at.. by police for daring to write to the police commissioner....
It smacks of exactly the shit that was real for women trying to speak out throughout the 90s and 2000s. I can relate so much to that.. women were not listened to...dismissed...told they were trouble makers for speaking up. And these women were pretty much told to shut up. It's an appalling picture of what all women had to put up with..

The government needs to make sure all victims are supported and that this never happens again.

Don't watch it if it's triggering for you. I'm avoiding reading the details because the little I've heard is enough.

 

[nino_savatte]

The gangs that operated in over 50 towns and cities between (say) 2000 and now. The Jay report looked into a few but by no means all of these.

Let’s be clear those - on the liberal left - whose starting point is ‘whatever the populist right want must be opppsed’ or that anyone who thinks these rapes were on such a serious scale that a further review is required are, as Starmer seems to think, ‘far right’ are simply wrong.

The thing is that when white paedophile rings are exposed, the media doesn't call them "rape gangs" and neither do the right-wingers for that matter. In fact, the right tends to be quiet about them. Indeed, they'll say nothing if boys are the target of these groups.

 

[Spymaster]

No. There is no evidence for that.

This is why most sane people consider elements of the left to be so dangerous. Bending over backwards to deflect the suggestion that racially motivated crime can be perpetrated by anyone other than white people. Sickening.

Denying there was a racist aspect to this and dancing round it makes you look foolish. Race, class, misogyny all played a part.

Spot on.

 

[Ax^]

and if this thread was not a shit show already here is spy to suggest rounding them all up and shooting them..

 

[burtabraham]

and if this thread was not a shit show already here is spy to suggest rounding them all up and shooting them..

This thread is not a shit show

 

[Aladdin]

No pedophile should get away with the rape of a child because of their race or position.
Be that Jimmy Saville (who got away for years) or
Salah Ahmed El-Hakam.

and if this thread was not a shit show already here is spy to suggest rounding them all up and shooting them..

He didn't...
I'm surprised you think anyone on this thread wants that.

 

[Spymaster]

and if this thread was not a shit show already here is spy to suggest rounding them all up and shooting them..

Don't be silly.

 

[Ax^]

He didn't...
I'm surprised you think anyone on this thread wants that.

give him time we always had one guy spouting support of sending innocent people to jail because of the balance of probability.. wait till spy gets going ..

 

[burtabraham]

give him time we always had one guy spouting support of sending innocent people to jail because of the balance of probability.. wait till spy gets going ..

The "one guy" I presume you are referring to is me. And you appear to have difficulties comprehending what I said, or are just lying for the sake of causing discord. I want to send guilty people to prison. That's my position. Not controversial for anyone normal.