DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Fast fingers, Fozzie, fast fingers...
Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action
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Fozzie Bear
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Heh - looks like Butchers has added this to the Freedom Press thread - probably best to discuss it there...
love detective
there's no love too small
Well I saw every letter that they sent over that period, each of which ran to a fair few pages, which suggests a fair amount of work done on behalf of the client (by a lawyer who a few months later went on to represent a number of high profile clients against NOTW in the phone hacking scandal) , on top of these there would have been numerous client meetings talking about the case, responding to the defence against it etc.. CR aren't cheap, so I would imagine it would have been a good few thousand over the 6 months or so
edit: posted that before I saw the posts about FP
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
true. most writers get 10-15% back from the publishers after they have covered costs and any advance they may have given you (unless they pay you in copies). few writers make much money from books.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
So you don't know how much money or indeed if any money was paid. Why didn't you just say that when I first asked.
love detective
there's no love too small
Are you implying CR provide free legal assistance? They are some kind of Charity yes? Their staff don't get paid and just provide their time for free?
How could I possibly know exactly how much it was, but at the same time how can you possibly suggest there was no fees charged? I don't know how much Max Hastings, or PWC or KPMG or PR firms charge their clients but we know it's not free/cheap - ditto CR
TopCat
Putin fanboy
She paid for it herself? You expect to be believed on this? The reality is that only Louise and Carter Fuck know how this cost and how much was paid and by whom.
Occam's Razor points to Gerry Gable and his cohorts, they were desperate to stop publication.
framed
Leave it!
I don't know what representation by Carter-Ruck costs, but as far as I can tell they no longer take 'no win no fee' cases. I've no idea what the going rate is for legal consultations and a few lawyers letters, but CF's fees are not inexpensive.
Carter-Ruck legal fees going cheap at £400 an hour
Here's a list of links to Carter-Ruck cases covered by the Guardian.
Carter-Ruck legal fees going cheap at £400 an hour
Here's a list of links to Carter-Ruck cases covered by the Guardian.
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
What did it cost you/IWCA to sue the Labour Party...and if you told me to fuck off I would understand hence mind your own business its fuck all to do with anyone least of all you.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Which would suggest a connection that you deny exists.
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
?????????? Dont join the rest of the morons ...it really isnt worth it.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Yeah, hands down. It eventually cost LP £30,000. Half of which went directly to IWCA.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
At the height of the manufactured hysteria surrounding the planned publication of BTF we used to [half] joke with FP staff about the possibility of something like this happening. Of course FP was attacked by C18 before but it would be extraordinary if the far-right were responsible this time. Very odd.
Red Storm
M14
You think it's unlikely that it was the far-right?
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
Yeah but you have to stump up initially. Sordid affair.
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
He's being a knobhead mate....
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
The hysteria surrounding the publication of No Retreat was pretty pleasant too Gaz.
Red Storm
M14
I don't want to get into the name calling.
I just thought that the far-right was the obvious culprit. I don't think this is the beginning of anything though.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I am non aligned and not connected with suing anyone. Stop trying to muddy the waters, it's laughable.
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
Nor do I really its just a way of life with these lot.
I dont have a beef with Freedom Press/Books. I support and appreciate what they do and shouldnt even have to say that. Mischief making is de rigeur for Gary and co hence a totally stupid and irresponsible remark intended to cause shit.
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
Well you could have fooled me.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
No idea, but I do find the whole thing strange from your end, I know next to nothing about the law or suing people but I was under the impression that you could not sue on behalf of a dead person? Particularly one who not only already had a criminal record for football hooliganism, but had co-authored a book describing his involvement, participating and organising some extremely violent affairs, so I find it even stranger that any solicitors would threaten to sue on his behalf in such circumstances?
Deareg
Well-Known Member
There never was any connection between Dave and Searchlight, nor after talking with Louise do I believe for one second that she would ever have anything to do with those grassing bastards either.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I wrote the post that you are responding to badly, really badly and messed it up. Looking at what i was responding to:
I wasn't talking about D or L, or you.
Deareg
Well-Known Member
No problem, hope you didn't think I was being arsy.
love detective
there's no love too small
What i find strange is that despite you having no involvement in any of this you are now implicitly suggesting that what happened didn't happen
Why don't you ask Louise why she instructed CR to do the things that they did? (the action was taken by Louise on behalf of Mr Hann's estate by the way and nominally in anticipation of the then forthcoming publication of Physical Resistance)
Neither Louise, Bignose or anyone else even remotely involved from the 'other side' don't deny what CR attempted to do (there will be differing accounts of what the real underlying motivations of the those involved in the CR action and who its real backers were of course) so while you are of course entitled to your own opinion/view on things, you're pretty much on your own in suggesting that there was no sustained campaign by CR against the publication of the book
Deareg
Well-Known Member
Dave was a good mate of mine and Louise has become a good friend as well, no real mystery there, I wont ask her because she is still grieving for her dead partner and the father of her children and I wont add to her suffering, you have chosen to raise it on a public forum and therefore I feel entitled to ask you to explain something that you claim to have happened and which I feel doesn't add up for the reasons that I put out in the post that you quoted.
bignose1
Searchlight Spoiler
The BtF book was bound to repeat false allegations against Dave and Louise wanted to protect her children and Daves reputation as an honest and valued anti fascist. Its simple really. Tell fibs and you may have to face some sort of action...as Oxford LP should know only too well. CR for my tuppence worth couldnt give a fuck about the book not coming out it just wanted to stop untrue and malicious allegations.
All the bullshit about it being a Searchlight inspired spoiler is laughable. You really must be off your heads. I think you come out with this shit because you probably believe in Adolfs adage of repeatedly telling a lie....you know the rest.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
Let's call a spade a spade. There are enough people on here that know that Dave did what he did and in private you have acknowledged to them that he did it. They in turn have also confirmed to others that he did it. In other words all this 'false and maliscious allegations' malarkey is totally played out. So do yourself a favour and just give all this holier than thou shit a fucking rest.
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