Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

[bignose1]

You could do with re reading this thread. I am not nor ever have been a member of Red Action. I have never "moderated" the Red Action forums. I can't recollect ever posting on them. I am not responsible for any "nasty shite" as you allege.

I was a member of Class War in the 80's at the time of the Searchlight inspired allegations against Class War. These allegations sapped the strength of Class War at a time when it was advancing strongly. I still have a huge amount of anger about these allegations even after all these years. I wrote about this in the early pages of this thread. People from RA were straightforward on this thread in discussing their point of view over this with regard to why they still dealt with Searchlight up until 1994 and on what basis.

You however (according to your own words on this thread) were a Searchlight man. You assert you no longer have any association with Searchlight. I tend to view this with a pinch of salt, mainly because Searchlight operatives are not known for telling the truth.

Add to that your continual refusal to answer pretty much any questions put to you on this thread, instead you just insult all and sundry whilst attacking the integrity of people in RA for whom I have a huge amount of respect for, knowing what they did during these times to which we refer.

Although I am an anarchist, given the choice I would hang on with RA when (on several occasions) actions against the fascists were carried out because although I might get insulted all day long, they were effective and would never leave me on my arse getting a kicking.

So back to the questions I asked. How many of the comments on Indymedia on the BTF thread were you responsible for?

You now become the victim in this. Let me tell you one thing. Its never been a secret I was Searchlights 'man' in the N/W but I left Searchlight because I was unable to accept certain conditions. I was accused of associating with people they did not approve of. I did not like the way they attacked CW and that must be on record somewhere. As I couldnt reconcile these things with my core beliefs it was better we parted ways. I did not see speak or communicate with GG for nearly 18 years until I met him at Eva Gabrielsonns book launch in London a year or so ago.

Neither for the record am I involved with HnH. But obviously you still think I will lie about this and thats why I find your comments a bit rich. I will answer the indymedia question when the RA people on here tell me they wernt responsible for posting stuff about me on their forum circa 2003. You take a good look at them and then tell me why they are only the ones allowed the right to question other peoples integrity.........stuff that was brought up make it handbags on here. They started it and you have your own agenda which I can agree with regards how CW were treated but because of that it will never allow me to come out of this sad affair with any credibility regardless of what I say.

 

[Red Storm]

I thought you wrote some stuff for the HnH website?

 

[bignose1]

I thought you wrote some stuff for the HnH website?

You thought wrong

 

[TopCat]

It's on the face of it bizarre to respond bignose that you would only answer a straight forward question from me when you get a response to questions you have asked of others, the others being people I have no influence over?

 

[plug ugly]

You are pals with Nick Lowles right? Bignose?

 

[framed]

You...blah blah blah blah blah blah....

It never ends...

 

[TopCat]

You are pals with Nick Lowles right? Bignose?

If Bignose lies down with this dog (Nick Lowles), then he definitely has fleas.

 

[bignose1]

You are pals with Nick Lowles right? Bignose?

If Bignose lies down with this dog (Nick Lowles), then he definitely has fleas.

This is the typical nonsense I was talking about. I rest my case.

 

[bignose1]

It never ends...

Ill give you that one Stevie

 

[bignose1]

If Bignose lies down with this dog (Nick Lowles), then he definitely has fleas.

Whatever Nick Lowles did to earn your displeasure as far as I know he never murdered, tortured or beat people up gratuitously sold drugs or ran protection rackets. Answer that wanker.

 

[bignose1]

The lieing down with a dog with fleas argument you will lose.

 

[bignose1]

It's on the face of it bizarre to respond bignose that you would only answer a straight forward question from me when you get a response to questions you have asked of others, the others being people I have no influence over?

Dont get technical.......answer my questions? Or shut up .

 

[love detective]

speaking of answering questions

And for those who dont give a fuck either way and who are keeping out of this....a person loses their partner of 15 years ..her 2 kids are grieving their dad and these twats are straight in. Fuck off.

for the benefit of those who don't give a fuck either way and who are keeping out of it, what exactly do you mean by the 'straight in' in your post above?

can you expand on it, fill it out a bit more, give a flavour of the type of thing you are talking about, maybe even an example or two?

Returning to this for a moment, why is it so difficult to give even one example of what you actually meant by 'straight in' in your post above?

You've even talked about this in later posts in terms of a 'crusade' which conjours up in the mind all sorts of events and vivid imageries, but so far you've failed to give a single solitary example of what you are talking about

Obviously you can't as it's utter bullshit, hence your backtracking and avoidance tactics of the last few pages

it's pretty low though, painting this picture of a woman with two children who has lost her partner being hounded and harassed by people connected to BTF - a reasonable person couldn't help but feel repulsed at anyone acting in this way, which is presumably why you chose to smear people in that overly emotive and heart tugging way. Problem is, as you well know, there's not an atom of truth in any of it, i know this for a fact, which in turn casts substantial doubt over a lot of what you've said in relation to other things.

 

[bignose1]

Some toss pot out of the blue throws this Lowles thing in and hey we now have a 5 pager about whether Im pally with him. You must be desperate.

 

[love detective]

why don't we ignore the Lowles thing then and we can return to my question from a few pages ago, as per above

(or would it be more convenient to focus on the distractions from it?)

 

[bignose1]

speaking of answering questions



Returning to this for a moment, why is it so difficult to give even one example of what you actually meant by 'straight in' in your post above?

You've even talked about this in later posts in terms of a 'crusade' which conjours up in the mind all sorts of events and vivid imageries, but so far you've failed to give a single solitary example of what you are talking about

Obviously you can't as it's utter bullshit, hence your backtracking and avoidance tactics of the last few pages

it's pretty low though, painting this picture of a woman with two children who has lost her partner being hounded and harassed by people connected to BTF - a reasonable person couldn't help but feel repulsed at anyone acting in this way, which is presumably why you chose to smear people in that overly emotive and heart tugging way. Problem is, as you well know, there's not an atom of truth in any of it, i know this for a fact, which in turn casts substantial doubt over a lot of what you've said in relation to other things.

Really sorry but it did happen. I wish it hadnt.

 

[love detective]

what happened?

 

[framed]

Ill give you that one Stevie

Cheers.

I will answer the indymedia question when the RA people on here tell me they wernt responsible for posting stuff about me on their forum circa 2003. You take a good look at them and then tell me why they are only the ones allowed the right to question other peoples integrity.........stuff that was brought up make it handbags on here.

You've referred to the discussion on the RA message board several times now. A statement on No Retreat was posted there on 31st October 2003. You say that the discussion around the book is still available on archive. I've had a good search around for it and so far I've been unable to find it, even on the cached remnants of the old RA site on both the American and UK internet archives.

Can you please provide a link to the archived material that you claim contains threats and allegations against you and Dave?

We can all read this Urban thread and the Indymedia thread and make up our own minds. However, you've now introduced a third reference point, but no links to it and no direct quotes from it.

I think it's only fair that you provide the link and let people here assess the material for themselves.

I'd like to go back over it myself, as I'm sure others would. I can't recall anyone being directly threatened on it and definitely don't remember anyone from Red Action (or any other organisation) threatening to 'stab' Dave.

 

[plug ugly]

This is the typical nonsense I was talking about. I rest my case.

We've shifted 270,000 newspapers from our warehouse to venues across Greater Manchester today. Next weekend we hope to distribute these across Manchester but as you can imagine this is quite a logistical operation. Fortunately I'm being assisted in this by a great team we have around HnH in Manchester, which ranges from the trade unions to the political parties, community groups to the Bishop of Manchester's office.

The sun is now out and I'm about to enjoy a well earned drink with my old pal Steve Tilzey.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Also had a sit-down meet with Matthew Collins during the campaign to intimidate FP
into not publishing BTF. So it's reasonable to assume he's not entirely alone in his endeavours on here. The bad-jacketing by Lowles of AFA/DAM organiser Malcolm in Doncaster (claimed he was a fascist), the demonisation of Larry O'Hara, the groundless suspension of Class War, the bespattering of leading anti-fascists on here, is needless to say, all part of the same dance.

 

[TopCat]

Whatever Nick Lowles did to earn your displeasure as far as I know he never murdered, tortured or beat people up gratuitously sold drugs or ran protection rackets. Answer that wanker.

I am staying off of this thread to give a bit more room to the current disgraceful allegations of a campaign of intimidation towards the family of Dave Hann. This is rather more urgent compared to my gripes of 28 years ago.

 

[bignose1]

Yeah I had a drink with an old friend. And ?

ps In a personal capacity not as a Unison organiser where I had been to meetings where he spoke. Is that ok you clowns.

 

[bignose1]

Also had a sit-down meet with Matthew Collins during the campaign to intimidate FP
into not publishing BTF. So it's reasonable to assume he's not entirely alone in his endeavours on here. The bad-jacketing by Lowles of AFA/DAM organiser Malcolm in Doncaster (claimed he was a fascist), the demonisation of Larry O'Hara, the groundless suspension of Class War, the bespattering of leading anti-fascists on here, is needless to say, all part of the same dance.

Thats a lie O'Shea...back this up. This is garbage. No such meeting took place no such discussion ocurred. You really dont have a clue and are introducing the Searchlight dynamic to create more mischief. Deary me.

 

[bignose1]

Cheers.



You've referred to the discussion on the RA message board several times now. A statement on No Retreat was posted there on 31st October 2003. You say that the discussion around the book is still available on archive. I've had a good search around for it and so far I've been unable to find it, even on the cached remnants of the old RA site on both the American and UK internet archives.

Can you please provide a link to the archived material that you claim contains threats and allegations against you and Dave?

We can all read this Urban thread and the Indymedia thread and make up our own minds. However, you've now introduced a third reference point, but no links to it and no direct quotes from it.

I think it's only fair that you provide the link and let people here assess the material for themselves.

I'd like to go back over it myself, as I'm sure others would. I can't recall anyone being directly threatened on it and definitely don't remember anyone from Red Action (or any other organisation) threatening to 'stab' Dave.

It was possible to look at the Red Action forum or large ares of it until quite recently in fact the fash used to occasionally screen grab it from time to time. Dave was threatened with getting stabbed by a poster. Fact. And I had very personal and private details posted on there which my family were able to see and info was given which could have assisted the fash as to my workplace putting me potentially at risk from attack. It was a pretty much a one way thing as most replies were modded out.

There has been several incidences where RA have turned violently on people. Denis Clifford attacking PW at an Irish meeting springs to mind. So why should it be unreasonable to think this behaviour with these types of people around should suddenly change.

 

[framed]

It was possible to look at the Red Action forum or large ares of it until quite recently infact the fash used to screen grab it from time to time. Dave was threatened to get stabbed by a poster. I had very personal and private details posted on there which my family were able to see and info was given which could have assisted the fash as to my workplace putting me potentially at risk from attack. It was a pretty much one way thing as most replies were modded out.

There has been several incidences where RA have turned violently on people. Denis Clifford attacking PW at an Irish meeting springs to mind.

I honestly can't remember anything about a threat to stab Dave, but if it came from a poster on a thread it could have been anyone, including the fash who posted there. It didn't come from a member of Red Action. I can state with confidence that physical retribution against Dave was never considered by RA. All of the issues that we had with your book were political.

You need to get over some of the personal issues that you have with individuals in RA mate, there's certainly no resolution in sight when you keep on adding more allegations in every post.

 

[Pickman's model]

I honestly can't remember anything about a threat to stab Dave, but if it came from a poster on a thread it could have been anyone, including the fash who posted there. It didn't come from a member of Red Action. I can state with confidence that physical retribution against Dave was never considered by RA. All of the issues that we had with your book were political.

You need to get over some of the personal issues that you have with individuals in RA mate, there's certainly no resolution in sight when you keep on adding more allegations in every post.

if someone's got a week or so to kill, they could go through the thread and post some sort of executive summary of what everyone's said.

 

[framed]

if someone's got a week or so to kill, they could go through the thread and post some sort of executive summary of what everyone's said.

Are you volunteering?

Which thread(s) ?

I'd like to see the RA forum threads that BN1 has referred to.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you volunteering?

fuck no! life's too short!

 

[framed]

fuck no! life's too short!

Well then... don't look at me!

Nah, I would be prepared to go through the stuff from all three areas of reference (here, Indymedia and RA) if it served a purpose.

My recollection of the threads on the RA forum is vague now. Access to that, if it can be found, would be useful.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well then... don't look at me!

Nah, I would be prepared to go through the stuff from all three areas of reference (here, Indymedia and RA) if it served a purpose.

My recollection of the threads on the RA forum is vague now. Access to that, if it can be found, would be useful.

see if searchlight have a copy