Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

[framed]

see if searchlight have a copy

 

[bignose1]

if someone's got a week or so to kill, they could go through the thread and post some sort of executive summary of what everyone's said.

Fine do it. But please redact some of the more sensitive personal references in your summary. Posts which threatened people should have been modded out. They wernt. Also when we were told to relinquish Red Attitude it was menacing with you know who being behind it. I hear what you say Stevie and you are a decent person with issues to take up with what I say. I dont know where all this is going but please accept that I have the right to say what I believe is true from my own perspective and from what other.s have told me. Dave was pretty much run out of town and later subjected to some seriously unpleasant villification.

 

[past caring]

As I recall, there were two threads on the RA boards where No Retreat and the subsequent fallout from the book were discussed at length. I read them assiduously at the time and on several occasions later. I never saw any threat to stab DH from anyone and certainly not from any RA member. Even if the original posting was removed, there would doubtless have been outraged references to it in later postings - there weren't.

 

[bignose1]

Also had a sit-down meet with Matthew Collins during the campaign to intimidate FP
into not publishing BTF. So it's reasonable to assume he's not entirely alone in his endeavours on here. The bad-jacketing by Lowles of AFA/DAM organiser Malcolm in Doncaster (claimed he was a fascist), the demonisation of Larry O'Hara, the groundless suspension of Class War, the bespattering of leading anti-fascists on here, is needless to say, all part of the same dance.

Evidence. Come on. With stuff like this you do make yourself look a complete clown.

 

[bignose1]

And for your reference this was before the HnH/Searchlight split. Dunce.

 

[bignose1]

As I recall, there were two threads on the RA boards where No Retreat and the subsequent fallout from the book were discussed at length. I read them assiduously at the time and on several occasions later. I never saw any threat to stab DH from anyone and certainly not from any RA member. Even if the original posting was removed, there would doubtless have been outraged references to it in later postings - there weren't.

It was and I'm thinking whether I may have it printed it out so keep your denials coming......your thoroughness may possibly be proved to be an embarrassing overstatement

 

[cesare]

RA archive here by the looks of it: http://www.redactionarchive.org/p/news.html

 

[framed]

RA archive here by the looks of it: http://www.redactionarchive.org/p/news.html

Nah mate, that's the Red Action archive site (similar to the anti-fascist archive) set up recently to collate all the back issues of the newspaper and bulletins, plus other related materials. There appears to be no online archive of the old forum, which was deleted from the old redaction.org site.

 

[cesare]

Nah mate, that's the Red Action archive site (similar to the anti-fascist archive) set up recently to collate all the back issues of the newspaper and bulletins, plus other related materials. There appears to be no online archive of the old forum, which was deleted from the old redaction.org site.

Ah, OK, cheers

 

[TopCat]

So let's take this step by step.

Wasn't one of the major issues for RA the fact that one of the authors - Steve Tilzey - was a Searchlight operative? And had been both during his time in AFA and whilst contact with Searchlight had been proscribed? And that he had passed information on AFA activities to Searchlight but had, on Searchlight instructions, either witheld or given duff information to AFA?

Now, let's assume for the moment those allegations are true (we can discuss whether they actually are true, or are likely to be, in a moment) - are these criticisms which "boil down to who wrote the book...personal stuff, grudges" or are they political?

Quoted for total relevance. This being from page 3 of this very thread.

 

[TopCat]

It will be good to see in one place a time line of the efforts of some to disrupt the activities of AFA over the years. It seems that some are running scared of being named and shamed! Bring it on...

And so it came to pass..

 

[Joe Reilly]

As I recall, there were two threads on the RA boards where No Retreat and the subsequent fallout from the book were discussed at length. I read them assiduously at the time and on several occasions later. I never saw any threat to stab DH from anyone and certainly not from any RA member. Even if the original posting was removed, there would doubtless have been outraged references to it in later postings - there weren't.

There was no threat to stab from a RA member of anyone else. For obvious reasons the forum was, and had to be, very tightly moderated. Anything like that would not have got anywhere near being allowed.

Once again, as with so many other allegations he has been called on recently, it is freshly minted, after more than two years at bat.

Didn't even make it on the hatefest that was the BTF thread on Indymedia.

In any event making an idle threat in public, or otherwise, was never the RA way.

Totally made up.

The very fact that it was increasingly used as a prop, and he was confidently inviting people to 'check if for themselves' was done in the knowledge that a) most wouldn't and b) even if they did persist he couldn't be disproved as it isn't available.

 

[Joe Reilly]

Evidence. Come on. With stuff like this you do make yourself look a complete clown.

So are you denying any contact with Collins at all?

 

[Joe Reilly]

BTW had to laugh at the remark about 'Red Action's persistent revisionist lies' - never mind the 'lies' what accepted historical truth is it that we are meant to be 'revising'?

 

[Joe Reilly]

 

[bignose1]

So are you denying any contact with Collins at all?

IVE SEEN HIM ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS AT VARIOUS MEETINGS,RALLYS, GALAS MAINLY PRIOR TO THE SPLIT BUT SOME SUBSEQUENTLY TO THEM GOING ALONE. I STILL SEE GA FROM S/L FROM TIME TO TIME BUT HAVE NEVER ONCE SPOKE ABOUT YOU, RA,BTF,NR,DH,LP OR ANYTHING CONNECTED TO ANY OF THE POINTS BEING RAISED HERE. I MAY HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE EDL,NF,BNP WHICH AFTER ALL IS WHY I WENT TO THE MEETINGS. ARNT I CLEVER FOR DOING THAT. SO WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFO SHERLOCK. YOU ARE A COMPLETE FANTASIST MAKING UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS YET AGAIN.

 

[bignose1]

There was no threat to stab from a RA member of anyone else. For obvious reasons the forum was, and had to be, very tightly moderated. Anything like that would not have got anywhere near being allowed.

Once again, as with so many other allegations he has been called on recently, it is freshly minted, after more than two years at bat.

Didn't even make it on the hatefest that was the BTF thread on Indymedia.

In any event making an idle threat in public, or otherwise, was never the RA way.

Totally made up.

The very fact that it was increasingly used as a prop, and he was confidently inviting people to 'check if for themselves' was done in the knowledge that a) most wouldn't and b) even if they did persist he couldn't be disproved as it isn't available.

Im afraid it was Gary contained in a post....maybe it slipped through....'wasnt the RA way. Maybe not in public hey I get your meaning.'

And if you moderated it so well then I must blame you for allowing all the personall shite. No doubt you had some wanks with that.

 

[TopCat]

Now you blame Joe for the moderation of the RA site. Previously it was my fault. Who next? Santa? Goblins?

 

[bignose1]

Quoted for total relevance. This being from page 3 of this very thread.

Nothing new there Sherlock.But this conspiraloon stuff is now becoming amusing as you try to squeeze square pegs into round holes. The stealing info was another made up false charge by Denis Clifford. A laughable I mean really laughable attempted stitch up. Id wager that in all the time I was with Searchlight I think O'Shea met with Gerry Gable on more occasions. And were in bed together during the so called proscriptive period you mention.

 

[bignose1]

Now you blame Joe for the moderation of the RA site. Previously it was my fault. Who next? Santa? Goblins?

A collective responsibility was meant. Dont try and be clever on that one.

 

[bignose1]

Anyway I'm off to Spain later today to spend some of my redundancy money and research my new book.

 

[TopCat]

Anyway I'm off to Spain later today to spend some of my redundancy money and research my new book.

Are you writing a sequel to Fantasy Island?

 

[bignose1]

Are you writing a sequel to Fantasy Island?

It will be fictional ( yes like my last one of course...) Anyway got to go.....Ze Plane , Ze Plane

 

[Joe Reilly]

SO WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFO SHERLOCK.

Which is what really bothers you, or perhaps to be more accurate Nick Lowles, isn't it?

Because less than 24 hours after boasting "you hope you'll wear me down...that won't ever happen" it looks like you've being hooked and sent on an unplanned 'holiday'.

 

[malatesta32]

Nah mate, that's the Red Action archive site (similar to the anti-fascist archive) set up recently to collate all the back issues of the newspaper and bulletins, plus other related materials. There appears to be no online archive of the old forum, which was deleted from the old redaction.org site.

still worth a look. i spent an entertaining afternoon going thru some of the issues.

 

[cesare]

still worth a look. i spent an entertaining afternoon going thru some of the issues.

And an interesting summary of the beef is on the No Retreat bit.

 

[malatesta32]

i hate the beef cesare! can we not move on?

 

[cesare]

i hate the beef cesare! can we not move on?

I've got nothing to do with it and don't get involved. But I asked what it was about and no-one answered so now I've found out for myself, and anyone else that doesn't understand what it's about can go and look for themselves too.

 

[framed]

i hate the beef cesare! can we not move on?

Beef Cesare?

Is that a recipe from the Anarchist Cookbook?

 

[Pickman's model]

Beef Cesare?

Is that a recipe from the Anarchist Cookbook?

it's a recipe from the tolling gang