Corax
Luke 5:16
You can borrow my sjambok after I've finished self-flagellating if you like.
Which party will you vote for in the next election ?
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You can borrow my sjambok after I've finished self-flagellating if you like.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Because he was trying to be 'clever' by pointing out that a proportion of Urban posters will have changed their opinion in the light of subsequent evidence. As I've already said. Which isn't really very insightful. Moreover, the implication is a rather childish "Told ya so! Look! Some of you were wrong!" Somewhat similar to your own tone at times in fact.
If you say it, it must be true eh?
I suppose the irony of your own reaction to my reply to Howie (nothing to do with you, it's worth noting), your desperate need to dip your oar in (and pursue it like some sort of message board crusader), is entirely lost on you.
No he wasn't. He was pointing out fact. You took that as a personally directed dagger to your heart. Your problem - except for the angry tears you're insisting that we all get a taste of.
Corax
Luke 5:16
I didn't take it as a dig at me, I asked Howie to explain his post and his point. I only started getting slightly irked when he started using terms like 'brianiac' [sic]. I've never claimed to be Brian. The 'big deal' has only come about from butcher's gallant attempt to ride to the rescue. Are we done with this now? I'm bored.
Corax
Luke 5:16
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What a great poster you are. What substance you bring.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
that's totally fair enough, becuase there are so many people just like you, who feel utterly cheated and deceived now
Corax
Luke 5:16
The old loyalties might be evaporating, but it's that hatred of the Tories that will see Labour propelled back into office. The Greens, and whatever the far left manages to come up with, are no threat nationally. And even if Labour are forced for a time to make some kind of show of opposing the cuts and distancing themselves from the New Labour project, in order to placate the media they will have to tone it down to stand any chance of being elected. The media barons understand only too well, and so does the Labour leadership, that Labour can't rely on a militant anti-cuts movement, the shrinking former Labour heartlands, and various disaffected sections of society to gain a secure majority, even if we are plunged back into economic crisis (in reality we haven't come out of it and still everybody looks to the very parties and policies that caused it.)
And so we are unfortunately faced with the near-certainty that we'll get the cuts one way or another despite what goes on on the streets and outside the town halls.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You asked him to explain a very straightforward post. It's not surprising he was a bit nonplussed at someone asking him to explain it, or rather the non-existent subtext.
Leave it, seriously.
Your post makes a lot of sense if people forget that.
New Labour doubled spending on health and education.
Bought in the minimum wage and minimum income guarantee.
Bought in working tax credits and the ema.
Yeah lots and lots of sense to the left wing miserabilists and the daily mail.
And continued from the Tories the very policies that led to the economic crash we're all now being made to pay for, and pushed the market into areas even Thatcher didn't dare go, thus making Cameron's job easier. Not that they could have done much different; it isn't Labour's role to bring about even modest radical change anymore, and they'd be brought down by their corporate backers if they tried to do so.
There's no such thing as a miserabilist. There are realists, blind optimists and fantasists.
Why, then, would my (by your own admission) entirely straightforward point - that it's among the sort of soft-left small-l liberals who populate this board that Lib Dem support has dropped most dramatically; and that this is the one political reflection worth making on the poll - provoke your unedifying, ongoing hissy fit?
I didn't know you'd been mugged by the Lib Dems for what it's worth, because I'd never noticed you before now, but as others have observed you clearly took this as some sort of personal slight. Now is the time to stop making a total cock of yourself.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Ah, you're psychic too eh? The pure self-regard of some internet posters really tickles me. It's a circle jerk of srs bsnssnss.
Look, you don't need to do this, your butcher in shining armour has already valiantly ridden to your aid; you can rest your pretty head.
Corax
Luke 5:16
I'm having fun playing the 'last word' game with you. You're playing it very well I have to say. You appear to be labouring under the misapprehension that I give a hoot what you or any other Urban warrior thinks.
Will2403
Active Member
could you two bellends please get a room ffs.
anyway... voting is pointless because as it stands, it only legitimises a thoroughly corrupt practice. there is no choice between the three main parties and the others don't have a chance. so the people need to be awoken from their slumber and start demanding proper representation, until then voting can SMC.
anyway... voting is pointless because as it stands, it only legitimises a thoroughly corrupt practice. there is no choice between the three main parties and the others don't have a chance. so the people need to be awoken from their slumber and start demanding proper representation, until then voting can SMC.
This. When you can't really vote for any of the three main parties, because you have no confidence in any of them, what are you supposed to do. Seriously they should stick a "none of the above" box on the voting forms and see how many votes that pulls - and then look at why and do something about it.
Who is this they?
LIfe is all about making choices. If you can not decide between the parties perhaps you should look into it a bit more. Some people were very resistant to universal suffrage in the first place.
But seriously if you don't agree with the parties ethics, ethos, principles or policies and the fact that some of the seem intent on either engaging in publicly unethical conduct or sticking their foot in their mouth - and without AV there is no point in voting for any of the smaller parties where do you go? I have a feeling that you were taking the piss but anyway........
I wasnt taking the piss. I think that the choice is a bit limited but i think that its a choice well worth making. And if you want a better/wider choice then perhaps you should try to join/create one.
When a few years ago people stood as (none as the above in the GE) they got very little support.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
That would just be putting your faith in the ballot box by another means. Pointless, on its own. There will never, ever be an elected party of government which won't do exactly as much as they can get away with to screw us over. You'll never change anything merely by demanding different bums on seats.
Get out on the streets and let them know which lines no government can afford to cross. It's the only way we'll get any semblance of democracy, with or without revolution.
Don't get me wrong - totally get your points. Was a member of the "young" branch of a political party at University and never got where they were going or participated heavily as I found some of their behind the scenes ethos a bit unsavory, and it didn't sit very well with me, and I didn't actually vote for them in the local elections whilst I was at University (any politicians that took the time to visit Halls of Residence flats and sit down in the kitchen and explain what they were after - got my vote, to put it bluntly fuck taking me for granted).
Agree there needs to be some form of serious major revolution on the streets to address issues, I just feel sorry for the fact that it will be the police that will probably end up dealing with it, when most people's real problems are with the politicians. It's the same as phoning up a call center and bollocking the person on the other end of the phone - they don't run the company and in 99% of cases they haven't caused the problem that you're probably complaining about.
Agree there needs to be some form of serious major revolution on the streets to address issues, I just feel sorry for the fact that it will be the police that will probably end up dealing with it, when most people's real problems are with the politicians. It's the same as phoning up a call center and bollocking the person on the other end of the phone - they don't run the company and in 99% of cases they haven't caused the problem that you're probably complaining about.
Incidentally I wasn't suggesting as standing as "none of the above" - if you forced 100% turnout (e.g. made it an offence not to vote) and put a box on the paper with "none of the above" if you really couldn't bring yourself to vote for any of them, it would just be interesting to see how much this would poll nationally.
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