Which party will you vote for in the next election ?

[editor]

I'd vote Plaid Cymru if I could.

 

[Corax]

What revelation was I claiming to have made?

Disingenuous much?

 

[Sgt Howie]

Disingenuous much?

I'm a bit perplexed as to what it was about my initial post that has started you spitting like an angry toddler, after I replied to your observation that they'd attracted one vote:

And what would their tally have been on here before May 6?

Did you think that was directed specifically at you or that I was having a go at you personally or something? Let me reassure you that I haven't got a clue who you are or what you think about anything, and nor do I care.

 

[ymu]

Have to say, this is a very bizarre beef, Corax. You sure you didn't misread him? It was a very innocuous post.

 

[binka]

in local elections i'd probably vote for my dad if he stands for labour again. id feel like a right twat if i lived under his roof and didn't vote for him - it's the least i could do.

 

[kabbes]

I might give Milliband a chance if he gets his house in order. Failing that, probably Green.

It's somewhat irrelevant though -- the Tory gets more than 50% in our constituency.

 

[redsquirrel]

Edit: Just realised I might not be living in this country anymore by the time of the next election Can Brits living abroad vote, or what?

I think it depends on how long you've been out of the country, if it's less than five years then yes.
But that just from 10 minutes browsing the (shit) government website

 

[Corax]

I'm a bit perplexed as to what it was about my initial post that has started you spitting like an angry toddler, after I replied to your observation that they'd attracted one vote:

Did you think that was directed specifically at you or that I was having a go at you personally or something? Let me reassure you that I haven't got a clue who you are or what you think about anything, and nor do I care.

Have to say, this is a very bizarre beef, Corax. You sure you didn't misread him? It was a very innocuous post.

No, I'm well aware it wasn't directed at me.

What's the point of asking how many would have voted for them before?

It's a rhetorical question isn't it? (as is that)

The answer is essentially 'more'.

So it points out that people change their opinions in the light of experience. I don't have a beef, and neither have any dummies been spat, I've just questioned Sgt Wanky's wanky post, and what earthly use he thought it possibly served.

 

[ymu]

Is this cross-thread beef? It makes no sense.

 

[Corax]

Is this cross-thread beef? It makes no sense.

there is no beef, let alone cross thread. What about the above doesn't make sense?

 

[Voley]

Labour.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

29 for Labour. I had no idea these boards had become so right wing.

 

[Corax]

29 for Labour. I had no idea these boards had become so right wing.

Your 6 is upside down.

 

[Will2403]

29 for Labour. I had no idea these boards had become so right wing.

The only left wing choice in England is the Green and splitting the labour vote will only ensure another 5 years of the cunts.

How can the greens increase their share of the vote without ending up coming head to head with labour?

I think they can make huge gains if they play their cards right over the next 4 years, they should pick up a large amount of the lib dem vote, some of the labour vote (you can see how terrified miliband is leading a bunch of sellout right wingers with his left wing ideals, he'll be long gone by 2015), and maybe some who voted tory but think they have gone too far (my friend voted for tory and green in may, i called her schizophrenic and her housemate quite rightly disparaged her and her family).

Do people think this chart is roughly accurate?

 

[DotCommunist]

Greens well misplaced.

 

[Will2403]

where do they go?

 

[Corax]

Do people think this chart is roughly accurate?

I may have done before, but the idea of Labour being to the right of the lib dems seems laughable now.

I'd also take some issue with the BNP's position there...

 

[kabbes]

It's out of date too. It was probably closer to being the case about three or four years ago.

 

[Corax]

It's out of date too. It was probably closer to being the case about three or four years ago.

That would explain why Respect are included. Snigger.

 

[kabbes]

I'd also take some issue with the BNP's position there...

Why? Economically, the BNP are certainly to the left of Labour. Their racism is placed on a different axis -- on this graph it has been absorbed into the vertical.

 

[DotCommunist]

where do they go?

up a bit, some of them have a proper authoritarian streak. And they hate the poor.

 

[Corax]

Why? Economically, the BNP are certainly to the left of Labour. Their racism is placed on a different axis -- on this graph it has been absorbed into the vertical.

That's the problem with descriptions such as 'right' and 'left'. I'd place them to the right because of the racism, homophobia etc, but I'd also have them lower on the vertical because of their dislike of regulation. It's a crude graph I suppose, and the interpretations of the axes are going to be just that - interpretations.

 

[kabbes]

up a bit, some of them have a proper authoritarian streak. And they hate the poor.

The Green Party's general philosophy, however, is one of localism and federation rather than centralisation.

Like Corax says, it just shows the weaknesses of trying to represent something complex on a simply graph.

 

[Will2403]

the racism and homophobia issues would definitely taken into account for where the dot goes on the verticle axis.

 

[Corax]

the racism and homophobia issues would definitely taken into account for where the dot goes on the verticle axis.

And your authoritative evidence for that is....?

 

[Will2403]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

If we recognise that this is essentially an economic line it's fine, as far as it goes. We can show, for example, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot, with their commitment to a totally controlled economy, on the hard left. Socialists like Mahatma Gandhi and Robert Mugabe would occupy a less extreme leftist position. Margaret Thatcher would be well over to the right, but further right still would be someone like that ultimate free marketeer, General Pinochet.

That deals with economics, but the social dimension is also important in politics. That's the one that the mere left-right scale doesn't adequately address. So we've added one, ranging in positions from extreme authoritarian to extreme libertarian.

Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitrary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period

You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process.

The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy)

Another only slightly more complex chart:

 

[Will2403]

this one is good. stick the greens on this one please.

 

[Corax]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

Well alright then, I can't really argue with that.

It's still their interpretation of the labels though. *paddles furiously*

 

[William of Walworth]

In answer to the OP, I'll be reverting to Labour probably.

 

[Quartz]

Do people think this chart is roughly accurate?

I don't. It misses a very basic point: they're mostly just a bunch of power-hungry cunts.