Will the election result finally result in ditching "First Past The Post?"

[Pickman's model]

A survey from 2021. I don't know if support for PR has gone up or down since then.

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YouGov have done a poll as well:

Should we change our current British voting system?

Some people support a change in the British voting system to proportional representation, where the number of MPs a party wins more closely reflects the share of the vote they receive. Other people support retaining our present voting system, First Past the Post, which is more likely to give one...

yougov.co.uk

Why don't you know?

 

[hitmouse]

From Hitler’s PIV? Started well, ended badly.

Do you mean POV? PIV is something quite different.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

The sad truth is that the British public are too thick to understand PR. These are the same people who voted for Brexit. I can't be arsed googling the turnout for the last referendum but I'm fairly certain it was quite low. Thw world 'Alternative' was probably a step too far for many.

Every other country in Europe apart from France uses proportional representation and they seem to be able to understand it? What people exactly do you think wouldn't be able to understand PR? Scientists? engineers? mathematical geniuses? accountants? doctors? academics? university lecturers? I think all of them could understand a ballot paper enough to put 1234 on it, but who else? Shop managers, Businessman, taxi drivers delivery men Traffic wardens to be honest I think virtually everybody's intelligent enough to understand putting 1234 on a ballot paper.
I don't know how Britain's got talent elects or votes but that's probably loads of people in the country saying their first favourite second favourite Etcetera it's no different.

 

[Pickman's model]

I wonder what they think now?

Exclusive: 83% of members say Labour should back proportional representation - LabourList

New polling shows 83% of Labour members believe the party should support changing the UK’s electoral system to…

labourlist.org

I don't know, do you?

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

On facebook i've seen people say fptp is unfair and we should change to pr. Then someone else replies and says "70% (or whatever it was) voted against it in the referendum so tough shit" ( yeah i know av is not pr but that is what they say) and then other people say "what referendum? When was that?"

Most people are not interested in politics.

 

[Pickman's model]

Every other country in Europe apart from France uses proportional representation and they seem to be able to understand it? What people exactly do you think wouldn't be able to understand PR? Scientists? engineers? mathematical geniuses? accountants? doctors? academics? university lecturers? I think all of them could understand a ballot paper enough to put 1234 on it, but who else? Shop managers, Businessman, taxi drivers delivery men Traffic wardens to be honest I think virtually everybody's intelligent enough to understand putting 1234 on a ballot paper.
I don't know how Britain's got talent elects or votes but that's probably loads of people in the country saying their first favourite second favourite Etcetera it's no different.

Anyone can put 1234 on a ballot paper but whats required is a 1 by your first choice, 2 by your second and so on until you no longer desire to express a preference. 1234 will simply lead to your ballot being rejected

 

[danny la rouge]

Every other country in Europe apart from France uses proportional representation and they seem to be able to understand it?

We have three different electoral systems in Scotland (for Westminster, Holyrood, and councils) and people seem to manage just fine with that.

 

[Pickman's model]

Most people are not interested in politics.

They repeated without addicting any evidence for their claim. Again.

 

[moochedit]

Let’s get this thread back on track and stop this silliness. People should flag up their preferred voting systems. I’ve studied this at length and personally favour Duckworth-Lewis.

We need multi choice referendum on the voting system to use. Problem solved Now we just need to decide on the voting system for the referendum

 

[hitmouse]

You may not identify as an anarchist, but it looks like you're well on the way to qualifying as one.

I mean, it sounds like Sue would have great difficulty in qualifying for membership of the Anarchist Communist Dope-Smoking Football-Watching Federation. Might still be in with a chance of joining our deadly rivals, the Anarchist Communist Lager-Drinking Cricket-Watching Group, though.

 

[belboid]

I think the Netherlands and Israel treat their whole country as one single constituency and you get one seat for every 0.6% of the vote or something like that.

Looks to be the case for the Netherlands, Israel has a minimum 3.25% requirement.

 

[A380]

We need multi choice referendum on the voting system to use. Problem solved Now we just need to decide on the voting system for the referendum

Easy; Sykes-Picot.

 

[JimW]

Both Red and expert 又红又专

 

[danny la rouge]

I mean, it sounds like Sue would have great difficulty in qualifying for membership of the Anarchist Communist Dope-Smoking Football-Watching Federation. Might still be in with a chance of joining our deadly rivals, the Anarchist Communist Lager-Drinking Cricket-Watching Group, though.

I tried to found the Anarchist Communist, sober, spectator-sports-avoiding, jazz-loving, Whovian, Zen-practising, vegan-adjacent vegetarian, home coffee grinding, alt rock guitar playing, but weirdly nerdy about elections Group, but couldn’t get any takers.

 

[moochedit]

I tried to found the Anarchist Communist, sober, spectator-sports-avoiding, jazz-loving, Whovian, Zen-practising, vegan-adjacent vegetarian, home coffee grinding, alt rock guitar playing, but weirdly nerdy about elections Group, but couldn’t get any takers.

Have you tried selling papers?

 

[A380]

I tried to found the Anarchist Communist, sober, spectator-sports-avoiding, jazz-loving, Whovian, Zen-practising, vegan-adjacent vegetarian, home coffee grinding, alt rock guitar playing, but weirdly nerdy about elections Group, but couldn’t get any takers.

Human takers you mean? Bet you got lots of canine support…

 

[danny la rouge]

Have you tried selling papers?

Yes. But not for the above.

 

[JimW]

He was a medal-chaser, not a hero. He suffered from narcissistic personality disorder, he lived in a fantasy world where he was a great man, a hero.

From all accounts he won at least one iron Cross fair and square. That's perfectly possible even if he was a massive cunt.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

He was described as a medal chaser by his fellow soldiers. He wanted a medal, he wanted the acclaim, he thought he was something special even then, it's called narcissistic personality disorder. everything he did was so he could be acknowledged, stand out from the crowd, be looked up to, worshipped, be admired, he craved admiration, in fact he craved being worshipped.

 

[andysays]

I tried to found the Anarchist Communist, sober, spectator-sports-avoiding, jazz-loving, Whovian, Zen-practising, vegan-adjacent vegetarian, home coffee grinding, alt rock guitar playing, but weirdly nerdy about elections Group, but couldn’t get any takers.

So much for affinity groups...

 

[danny la rouge]

He was described as a medal chaser by his fellow soldiers. He wanted a medal, he wanted the acclaim, he thought he was something special even then, it's called narcissistic personality disorder. everything he did was so he could be acknowledged, stand out from the crowd, be looked up to, worshipped, be admired, he craved admiration, in fact he craved being worshipped.

The more I learn about him, the less I like him.

 

[JimW]

The more I learn about him, the less I like him.

Adopted a dog in the trenches and taught it circus tricks; you have more in common than you like to admit.

 

[andysays]

He was described as a medal chaser by his fellow soldiers. He wanted a medal, he wanted the acclaim, he thought he was something special even then, it's called narcissistic personality disorder. everything he did was so he could be acknowledged, stand out from the crowd, be looked up to, worshipped, be admired, he craved admiration, in fact he craved being worshipped.

You're starting to come across as a Hitler obsessive

 

[danny la rouge]

(Sadly, I’ve actually read a few books. People who see those shelves in my home give me funny looks).

 

[pug]

Burn them

 

[DotCommunist]

Ian Kershaw's enormous 2 part bio. Of which I only read the first. Not to be confused with Nick Kershaw who did songs in the 80s

 

[danny la rouge]

Ian Kershaw's enormous 2 part bio. Of which I only read the first. Not to be confused with Nick Kershaw who did songs in the 80s

I have the one volume abridgement.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

You're starting to come across as a Hitler obsessive

Clearly, as I keep bringing him up and praising him for ridiculous things, possibly in an attempt at humour.

 

[danny la rouge]

Clearly, as I keep bringing him up and praising him for ridiculous things, possibly in an attempt at humour.

Tough crowd.

 

[marty21]

Can't see Labour being very bothered about introducing PR before the next election, as they have a majority of 160odd - the Tories weren't arsed about doing it in the last parliament as they had an 80 seat majority. The only time they were bothered was when they were forced to be bothered by the lib dems and we had that referendum on AV which excited very few people and was comprehensively defeated at the referendum. Now Farage is moaning that his 4m votes only got 5 seats - when he didn't complain at all when Brexit got 'achieved' on the back of a 80 seat Tory Majority.