Will the election result finally result in ditching "First Past The Post?"

[emanymton]

I'm not an anarchist. I am interested in politics and I didn't vote. (I'm not interested in football or in smoking dope fwiw.)

This describes me perfectly, Are we the same person.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

I'm not an anarchist. I am not interested in politics and I did vote. (I am not interested in football or in smoking dope FWIW.)

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

AKA House of self appointed know it alls who couldn't hack it in the world of real politics.

Not Politicians, just experts in their fields, only there for 10 years or so. No Hereditary peerages.

 

[Sue]

Getting served at beer halls? Burning reichstags?

That literally made me LOL.

(What a sad pass we've come to.)

 

[Petcha]

Absolutely it's time to ditch it. As much as I despise Farage it's absurd he only ended up with a few seats. If you believe in democracy then it's completely wrong, however idiotic the fuckwits who voted for him and his repulsive party are.

FPTP worked out for us this time but there will be a time in the future when the tables will be turned. Excellent campaigning from Labour to use this stupid system so well.

 

[DotCommunist]

Won medals in the Great War

he could still whip up a half decent postcard picture right up until the parkinsons got to his hands (iirc this was one of the main things that proved the diaries to be forgeries)

 

[andysays]

Labour wont switch to PR of its own volition. One possible scenario is that the next election ends in a hung parliament and labour go into colation with greens and lib dems with a referendum on PR being part of the deal (which is what brown offered to clegg in 2010). So its possible but three things have to happen - hung parliament - PR referendum as part of a coalition deal - PR winning the referendum.

As far as I know, there is no constitutional reason why a change to PR needs to be approved by a referendum.

If I remember correctly, it was used by Cameron as a way of making it less likely that the change would actually happen (and he got caught out when he tried the same trick a second time).

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

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[andysays]

I'm not an anarchist. I am interested in politics and I didn't vote. (I'm not interested in football or in smoking dope fwiw.)

You may not identify as an anarchist, but it looks like you're well on the way to qualifying as one.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

As far as I know, there is no constitutional reason why a change to PR needs to be approved by a referendum.

If I remember correctly, it was used by Cameron as a way of making it less likely that the change would actually happen (and he got caught out when he tried the same trick a second time).

You don't need an referendum to change the electoral system. Pretty certain they changed the electoral system for local elections in Scotland without a referendum, they changed it from FPTP to STV.

 

[danny la rouge]

Pretty certain they changed the electoral system for local elections in Scotland without a referendum, they changed it from FPTP to STV.

They did. It wouldn’t have been my first choice.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

What would your first choice have been?

 

[danny la rouge]

What would your first choice have been?

It was a joke about STV. But actually, d’Hondt.

 

[Kaka Tim]

Didn't work that way in 2010.

Could just as easily be a tory/reform coalition deal ( not )

No - and I didnt say that PR would win the referendum. But the 2010 referendum was on AV - and most people didnt have a clue what that was - and it was being pushed by Clegg who everyone hated for selling out to the tories so they used the referendum to tell him to fuck off rather than reward the trecherous yellow vermin.

Cant see a Tory/ReFuk coaltion being remotely possible myself. They are going to spend the net five years tearing lumps out of each other - and they will continue to split the rightwing vote in a GE.

 

[belboid]

It's possible that Corbyn might have won 1/650th of the total votes cast across the country had all voters been able to vote for him as an individual, but none of the others would.

there are umpteen different versions of PR. I'm not sure if any country uses one as directly proportional as you imply here. 19 were elected in the last Irish election.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Getting served at beer halls? Burning reichstags?

How are they achievements? Anybody can get served at a pub at a bar. And burning down something isn't clever or a great achievement. I think of that idiot that set fire to the mannequin in the shop window of a long established department store, I think in Croydon, burnt the building down and 100 people lost their jobs. brilliant, what a genius!

 

[danny la rouge]

Anybody can get served at a pub at a bar.

Not true.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

there are umpteen different versions of PR. I'm not sure if any country uses one as directly proportional as you imply here. 19 were elected in the last Irish election.

I think the Netherlands and Israel treat their whole country as one single constituency and you get one seat for every 0.6% of the vote or something like that.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Not true.

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[danny la rouge]

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I’ve worked behind a bar. There are definitely rules.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

But it's not that great of an achievement to get served at a bar. I imagine millions of people get served at a bar every day in the UK, let alone the whole world.

 

[danny la rouge]

But it's not that great of an achievement to get served at a bar. I imagine millions of people get served at a bar every day in the UK, let alone the whole world.

Look, I just wanted to say Starmer was like Hitler. Don’t get all skibbidee on my gyat, bruh.

 

[A380]

Did Hitler have any achievements apart from being a big mouth in charge of a political party? Was he an expert at anything?

Did some passable watercolours.

 

[scifisam]

Actually unusally tories did worse under fptp in this election although historically they have been the party that most benefitted from it.

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Oh, fair enough! I could've sworn a graph someone posted the other day made it look otherwise, but I must've misread it.

 

[Petcha]

No - and I didnt say that PR would win the referendum. But the 2010 referendum was on AV - and most people didnt have a clue what that was - and it was being pushed by Clegg who everyone hated for selling out to the tories so they used the referendum to tell him to fuck off rather than reward the trecherous yellow vermin.

Cant see a Tory/ReFuk coaltion being remotely possible myself. They are going to spend the net five years tearing lumps out of each other - and they will continue to split the rightwing vote in a GE.

The sad truth is that the British public are too thick to understand PR. These are the same people who voted for Brexit. I can't be arsed googling the turnout for the last referendum but I'm fairly certain it was quite low. Thw world 'Alternative' was probably a step too far for many.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

I wonder what they think now?

Exclusive: 83% of members say Labour should back proportional representation - LabourList

New polling shows 83% of Labour members believe the party should support changing the UK’s electoral system to…

labourlist.org

 

[A380]

you haven't heard of the second world war i see

From Hitler’s PoV? Started well, ended badly.

 

[danny la rouge]

The sad truth is that the British public are too thick to understand PR.

Jesus.

 

[moochedit]

On facebook i've seen people say fptp is unfair and we should change to pr. Then someone else replies and says "70% (or whatever it was) voted against it in the referendum so tough shit" ( yeah i know av is not pr but that is what they say) and then other people say "what referendum? When was that?"

 

[A380]

Let’s get this thread back on track and stop this silliness. People should flag up their preferred voting systems. I’ve studied this at length and personally favour Duckworth-Lewis.