Which jab did you have - Astra Zeneca or Pfizer? And what side effects?

[emanymton]

Four or more days after is the guidance.

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/blood-clot-guidance-applies-to-headaches-starting-four-days-after-covid-jab-mhra-clarifies/

Thanks. It's not getting any worse and no other symptoms so not likely anything to do with it the jab. Will see how it goes tonight. Will probably be OK after a night's sleep.

 

[William of Walworth]

Edited because quoting issues ....

 

[William of Walworth]

muscovyduck : That's all worst-case-scenario though surely?

Don't get me wrong, the precautionary principle suggests people be sensible and cautious (and maybe only have just one pint the afternoon/evening following, or something -- although I was a bit more reckless than just one! )

But plenty of people, myself included, reporting here have had low/few/no side-effects to speak of.

Don't drink after your jab because if you get the flu-like side effects you're gonna be fucked. Same reason you shouldn't start a 10 mile hike immediately after getting your jab. You know when you get a bad cold or a stomach bug and you lie there thinking "if only I knew this was coming, I would have been more prepared for it"? Well nows your chance. Get your vaccine, stock up on ready meals, get your washing up done and you'll be left with a couple hours to ease yourself into the migraine muscle fatigue hell that awaits

In the grounds that a pint of beer a day already puts you at the recommended maximum units per week anyway, can you not forgo that pint for one single day just on a precautionary basis?

Maybe I could. If I could be arsed to do that.

But my reaction this morning to muscovyduck 's earlier post was pretty fucking reasonable anyway?

I confess that I've been personally influenced by getting into the cupid_stunt -smuggacup-style reaction to low-to-no side-effects post-vaccine!

(Apologies for the above quotes being in the wrong order .. I haven't yet worked out how to do this shit, after the newbuild of Urban software ..... )

 

[emanymton]

Thanks. It's not getting any worse and no other symptoms so not likely anything to do with it the jab. Will see how it goes tonight. Will probably be OK after a night's sleep.

Well fine today anyway.

 

[hegley]

2nd AZ yesterday lunchtime - as per first one, no side effects whatsoever.

Partner had his 1st jab at the same time, Pfizer - says his arm is a bit sore but other than that, no side effects either.

 

[Yossarian]

Had first dose of Pfizer yesterday, pfeeling pfine so far.

 

[LeytonCatLady]

Had first dose of Pfizer yesterday, pfeeling pfine so far.

If you don't, Pfizer chiefs should predict a riot.

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Wonder when they'll ask us to have boosters?

 

[platinumsage]

Wonder when they'll ask us to have boosters?

From September I guess. August is likely to be teens.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Had first dose of Pfizer yesterday, pfeeling pfine so far.

Pfucking excellent!

 

[Stig]

Second AZ yesterday. no side effects whatsoever so far, same as first one.

With both, the needle going in was excruciating and made me shout, it was like being punched in the arm really hard. But immediately after it came out, no bleeding, no pain, nothing at all .

 

[lazythursday]

Second AZ yesterday too, the jab hurt a bit more than the first time when I hardly noticed it. The odd thing there was no chair - had it standing up - which just felt wrong somehow. A bit of an unsettled night's sleep and very tired today, but nothing like the awful feverish 24 hours from jab 1. I also ended up walking for miles in the hot sun which may not have been the best idea post-vaccine, so perhaps tiredness to be expected.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Had first dose of Pfizer yesterday, pfeeling pfine so far.

You had 'pfirst' right there and you passed it up ffs

 

[SpookyFrank]

Second AZ yesterday too, the jab hurt a bit more than the first time when I hardly noticed it. The odd thing there was no chair - had it standing up - which just felt wrong somehow. A bit of an unsettled night's sleep and very tired today, but nothing like the awful feverish 24 hours from jab 1. I also ended up walking for miles in the hot sun which may not have been the best idea post-vaccine, so perhaps tiredness to be expected.

Yeah I picked a vaccine centre that was further away but which I could get to door-to- door on public transport, in case I felt too shit to walk or drive. My 'local' centre is way out in the sticks past the motorway where driving is the only option, which is fucking idiotic.

 

[deeyo]

You had 'pfirst' right there and you passed it up ffs

pforgot 'so pfar' az well.

pfpfs.

 

[lazythursday]

Yeah I picked a vaccine centre that was further away but which I could get to door-to- door on public transport, in case I felt too shit to walk or drive. My 'local' centre is way out in the sticks past the motorway where driving is the only option, which is fucking idiotic.

Mine was easily accessible by public transport, but I just decided to walk back, and go a different way than I know, which turned out to be up an incredibly steep hill (why do I never register contours on maps despite living in a very hilly area?). I'm not as knackered as yesterday but still lacking in energy, my plans for frantic cleaning and gardening seem to be rapidly diminishing.

 

[Brainaddict]

I'm due to have second AZ in a week but am doing a bit of research over whether I want it or not. I've had long covid and was almost recovered and the first AZ shot really fucked me up. I kept thinking I was recovered (and posted that I was here) but in fact I am not recovered seven weeks later and it feels like it could take months more to recover. Options I have considered:
a) Taking the second one and hoping that the generally milder reaction to AZ second dose will play in my favour - but it does feel like playing russian roulette with my health
b) Getting my doctor to approve Pfizer for second dose, which might be possible but difficult - and I saw some data that says mixing vaccines can produce higher side effects
c) Not getting a second dose at all - anecdotally a couple of people with long covid who have had anti-body monitoring have been told not to have second dose because their anti-bodies are so sky-high after the first, and there is some talk that those who had covid at all may not need a second dose.

None of these options are good to be honest, and it's not clear if the evidence points towards any one of them strongly enough, though I'd be happy to hear if people know of any other evidence.

 

[LDC]

c) Not getting a second dose at all - anecdotally a couple of people with long covid who have had anti-body monitoring have been told not to have second dose because their anti-bodies are so sky-high after the first, and there is some talk that those who had covid at all may not need a second dose.

Anecdotal sounds about right for that, not heard or come across that happening as any official medical advice.

Personally I'd have the second dose until specifically told not to by a specialist tbh.

 

[Brainaddict]

Anecdotal sounds about right for that, not heard or come across that happening as any official medical advice.

Personally I'd have the second dose until specifically told not to by a specialist tbh.

Easy to say when the first dose didn't give you two months of physical and mental struggle tho. Unfortunately at our early stage of knowledge the specialists don't always know that much.

The LC anti-body response is anecdotal but the thing about people who've had covid only needing one dose there has been some early studies on: Covid-19: People who have had infection might only need one dose of mRNA vaccine

 

[elbows]

The LC anti-body response is anecdotal but the thing about people who've had covid only needing one dose there has been some early studies on: Covid-19: People who have had infection might only need one dose of mRNA vaccine

Yeah, I'm not sure if there is any comparable research with the non-mRNA vaccines like AZ though. The same sort of underlying logic and immune mechanism may still be in effect though.

 

[LDC]

That's with the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA ones though. Also small and non-peer reviewed so far. Will see with time.

If you've had one dose and confirmed covid then might well have decent levels of protection, but it's obviously a gamble.

E2A: Also balanced by things like your underlying medical conditions/vulnerability/work etc. as well.

 

[Brainaddict]

Yeah, I'm not sure if there is any comparable research with the non-mRNA vaccines like AZ though. The same sort of underlying logic and immune mechanism may still be in effect though.

I know, I couldn't find any about the AZ vaccine either, and I also know these early studies can get refuted later by large scale studies.

 

[platinumsage]

Booster doses are likely, especially in the over-50s. And if you don’t qualify for one I’m sure you’ll be able to have your second dose very late somewhere.

You could skip the second dose and take an antibody test now, and again later in the year. If that reveals a big drop off in antibody levels you could then decide whether you want a booster/late second dose/non-AZ second dose if that is approved. This is just what I would consider in your situation, it’s not medical advice.

 

[2hats]

Yeah, I'm not sure if there is any comparable research with the non-mRNA vaccines like AZ though. The same sort of underlying logic and immune mechanism may still be in effect though.

Approaching ~30 studies now (several from foremost immunological research groups with novel results), all on mRNA only, indicating single dose sufficient to supercharge both antibody and cell immunity in the majority of convalescent cases (hence some juridictions happy to adopt this approach eg France, Italy, Germany). Haven't seen any studies confirming a similar outcome with AZD1222, or indeed any other viral vector, yet (likely they do in some manner but whether the profile, in terms of immune response breadth and timing, is the same/equivalent/effective is an unknown).

 

[quimcunx]

I'm due to have second AZ in a week but am doing a bit of research over whether I want it or not. I've had long covid and was almost recovered and the first AZ shot really fucked me up. I kept thinking I was recovered (and posted that I was here) but in fact I am not recovered seven weeks later and it feels like it could take months more to recover. Options I have considered:
a) Taking the second one and hoping that the generally milder reaction to AZ second dose will play in my favour - but it does feel like playing russian roulette with my health
b) Getting my doctor to approve Pfizer for second dose, which might be possible but difficult - and I saw some data that says mixing vaccines can produce higher side effects
c) Not getting a second dose at all - anecdotally a couple of people with long covid who have had anti-body monitoring have been told not to have second dose because their anti-bodies are so sky-high after the first, and there is some talk that those who had covid at all may not need a second dose.

None of these options are good to be honest, and it's not clear if the evidence points towards any one of them strongly enough, though I'd be happy to hear if people know of any other evidence.

IMO at the end of the day you are one person and the benefits to society are only going to be very marginally affected by you either getting or not getting the 2nd dose, whereas you might be quite badly affected. As long as enough other people are getting it then it's ok that some don't or can't. Might be worth having a chat with your gp. Are you in any long covid groups? Is that where you got the anecdotal info?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

That's with the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA ones though. Also small and non-peer reviewed so far. Will see with time.

If you've had one dose and confirmed covid then might well have decent levels of protection, but it's obviously a gamble.

E2A: Also balanced by things like your underlying medical conditions/vulnerability/work etc. as well.

Both courses of action are a gamble if BA has had an awful reaction to the first jab. That's the problem.

tbh it's a very tricky situation working out actions based on partial evidence. While we wait until there is rock-solid evidence that one dose is likely to be enough, what do we do about the very strong hints that it could be enough? For those who had an average reaction to the first dose, I think the answer is quite easy - just get the second one anyway, in case one isn't enough. But that calculation changes massively if the first dose wiped you out.

BA's reaction to the first jab was bad enough that, imo, he's entitled to seek advice and to ask for an antibody test before deciding on the second jab. I would hope that a GP would be sympathetic.

 

[elbows]

We'll also need quite a lot of new studies from the Delta variant period in order to determine more about the complex picture of potentially decreased immunity against this variant.

 

[Sasaferrato]

My grandson had his second dose yesterday, Pfizer, four week gap. he is febrile, aching and sweating heavily today.

 

[2hats]

Have just noticed that the UK Com-COV heterologous prime-boost study (mixing AZD1222 and BNT162b2) is scheduled to deliver first immunological data later this month (early results were purely announcements concerning safety and reactogenicity).

 

[belboid]

Went to see a mate at the weekend who said after her second jab (Pfizer I pfink) she was shivering so much her Fitbit said she’d entered the ‘carb burning zone’