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To what extent are you still taking C19 precautions and has your lifestyle been permanently changed by the pandemic (April 2023)?

To what extent are you still taking precautions and how is your life different from before Covid?

  • My life has, more or less, returned to the pre-pandemic norm.

    Votes: 68 55.3%
  • I carry and occasionally wear a mask when in public places

    Votes: 32 26.0%
  • I wear a mask frequently when away from home

    Votes: 8 6.5%
  • I always wear a mask in public

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • I avoid public spaces

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • I work from home on a more regular basis

    Votes: 32 26.0%
  • I work from home full-time

    Votes: 17 13.8%
  • I am wary of going into public spaces and avoid doing so if possible

    Votes: 13 10.6%
  • The virus has impacted my health and hashad a long-term effect on the way I live.

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 13 10.6%

  • Total voters
    123
I WFH for more than a year but now am back in the office 5 days a week.

I don't really take precautions now unless someone is coughing at me, I used to visit a camera club weekly but after 2020 and the start of the covid I stopped going and have just not got into it again, I don't seem to miss it although it was a part of my social life.
 
This with bells on. We’ll be reaping what we sowed for years and years to come. Massive disproportionate reaction to an extraordinarily over exaggerated threat.

The knowledge of the threat evolved over time, and it began as both unclear and more severe than the current variant, so I think what you say is, to say the least, oversimplified.

I personally think it would have been justified to lock down sooner and harder than we did, and to have been far more diligent in the protection of the very vulnerable, but as the vaccines came on-stream and the virus evolved, the prior “investment” in high levels of public fear became an impediment to steering an appropriate course, and the divisions that had been created were beginning to mean that pointing out the high costs (not just financial) of the lockdown itself were enough in some quarters to lead to questions about your commitment to “control the virus / protect the NHS” etc.

But yes, the effects will linger for decades. Hopefully some lessons have been learned.
 
It is worth raising that I know people with the worst kind of long COVID who feel like their personal lockdowns are continuing, because they are so terrified of catching it again and there are no low level restrictions remaining. By low level I mean things in place that don’t restrict movement but if they were mandated could have an impact, eg mask wearing or continuing free testing.
 
It is worth raising that I know people with the worst kind of long COVID who feel like their personal lockdowns are continuing, because they are so terrified of catching it again and there are no low level restrictions remaining. By low level I mean things in place that don’t restrict movement but if they were mandated could have an impact, eg mask wearing or continuing free testing.
I find it incomprehensible that people still think masks made/would make a difference.
 
I find it incomprehensible that people still think masks made/would make a difference.
And your evidence for that is?

Even if the evidence is variable, the way I see it is:

Masks are slightly inconvenient but lessen transmission - situation is a win.

Masks are slightly inconvenient and don’t do very much - situation is you’ve been slightly inconvenienced
 
I know experiences varied wildly regarding the pandemic and usually when you took time to empathise with someone’s different stance, you could see their justification. But I still really struggle with the “no lockdowns… but absolutely no other measures either” brigade. :mad:
 
I got covid March 2020 right at the start and have been badly affected health wise considering I wasnt "that" ill. My GP was surprised how badly it affected me... mentally and physically and said I was the worst affected out of all her (non hospitalised) patients. :(

I have never recovered to how I was before getting covid and basically have had to adapt to having long covid and a totally new way of being in some ways. I have stopped drinking and wasnt able to work properly for 1.5 years and had to drop out of my MSc. I have only managed 5 months working full time and am having to move to part time again. I dont socialise or go out quite as much overall (although I did a lot last year) and I find dating and everything with that harder or just not possible.

In terms of precautions its only really this year I stopped wearing a mask in supermarket and shops and so on. I got a lot healthier and stronger in 2022 (was hiking, swimming, on my laptop for hours, cooking etc) and with in Portugal for 6 months where the mask rules were much stricter than here and I followed them. I then got covid again in Jan and this has unsettled everything including my confidence because tbh I picked it up without going anywhere that busy or crowded and while wearing a mask in the airport and plane. I have had a fatigue relapse and been off work for over a month currently, slowly getting my strength back.

I went into 3 shops today briefly and I couldn't be bothered to put a mask on but I felt anxious about how busy one was and didnt go in. So I guess this is a big impact and a big change for me overall, but I hope with time things will become more normal again. Theres no way id be steaming into a crowded tapas bar or a pub or a club at 3am nowadays. I had some health anxiety before all of this and it is def worse.. although obviously I dont worry about being seriously ill or dying from covid now.
 
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I find it incomprehensible that people still think masks made/would make a difference.

Well, the most comprehensive review of the RCT’s (Jefferson et al) only came out at the end of January.

And this is mask country.

So quite plausible, really.

The Indian cluster-randomised study showed a small effect on rate of spread with surgical masks (but not cloth masks), which is what I was going by til recently.
 
I'm going to start a companion thread for this in the community forum because I know some people would like to talk openly about how Covid has affected them personally but a public thread isn't the place for it...

Also, mixing it up with a ding-dong about masks isn’t ideal.
 
If I have Covid and spit in your mouth do you think it's more or less likely that you get Covid?

No more questions, your honour.
The relevant question should be not 'does the correct wearing of a good-quality mask reduce an individual's chances of catching/spreading it?' but 'do mask mandates make a measurable difference to overall infection rates across time?' The answer to that second question is far from settled.
 
The relevant question should be not 'does the correct wearing of a good-quality mask reduce an individual's chances of catching/spreading it?' but 'do mask mandates make a measurable difference to overall infection rates across time?' The answer to that second question is far from settled.

I think the last Cochrane review probably settles it, barring magical thinking or comedic levels of special pleading.


Not that I’d personally criticise anyone’s choice over whether to wear one.
 
I think the last Cochrane review probably settles it, barring magical thinking or comedic levels of special pleading.


Not that I’d personally criticise anyone’s choice over whether to wear one.
I knew the Danish and Bangladeshi studies but not the others. It's a really hard thing to study, as they all admit. Bangladeshi study found that the colour of the mask mattered. :D

I'd throw into the mix the real world case study of Britain and its differing rules through 2021. The covid infection and death rates in Scotland and Wales compared to England across the delta wave don't support the idea that England was wrong.
 
I knew the Danish and Bangladeshi studies but not the others. It's a really hard thing to study, as they all admit. Bangladeshi study found that the colour of the mask mattered. :D

I'd throw into the mix the real world case study of Britain and its differing rules through 2021. The covid infection and death rates in Scotland and Wales compared to England across the delta wave don't support the idea that England was wrong.

Were blue ones the best by any chance?

Or maybe an extremely sick-making colour that makes people stay away from you would be best.

In terms of using Britain as a case study, there have been plenty of cases where similar things have been done in different countries to very different effect, and also where different things were done and the same thing happened. I expect it is quite easy to find a country to tell any tale you want if just choosing one in isolation.
 
Were blue ones the best by any chance?

Or maybe an extremely sick-making colour that makes people stay away from you would be best.

In terms of using Britain as a case study, there have been plenty of cases where similar things have been done in different countries to very different effect, and also where different things were done and the same thing happened. I expect it is quite easy to find a country to tell any tale you want if just choosing one in isolation.
Can't remember which colour was more effective now.

Point about cross-national comparisons is that they're hard because each country's history of timing of various waves, vaccination roll out, etc, are different. E.g. if you escaped the first wave then were hit by the second, as in much of eastern Europe, you were hit very hard. You've also got stuff like housing differences, household sizes, etc that affect transmission.

In Britain the timings of the waves were relatively similar. Scotland and Wales had been broadly in line with English regions - better than some, worse than others - and their vaccination roll outs were very comparable. It's as good a comparison as you'll get.
 
Can't remember which colour was more effective now.

Point about cross-national comparisons is that they're hard because each country's history of timing of various waves, vaccination roll out, etc, are different. E.g. if you escaped the first wave then were hit by the second, as in much of eastern Europe, you were hit very hard. In Britain the timings of the waves were relatively similar. Scotland and Wales were broadly in line with English regions - better than some, worse than others - and their vaccination roll outs were very comparable. It's as good a comparison as you'll get.

As good as you’ll get at this tier of evidence, sure. I don’t think many scientists would consider it in the Cochrane review tier.
 
Not that I’d personally criticise anyone’s choice over whether to wear one.
I dunno, hearing some of the reasons people were giving for not wearing them, I think many resisting adults just needed to get a bloody grip. Though in most cases I suspect the resistance to masks wasn’t really about the masks.

Not saying there weren’t any justifiable reasons but I think a lot of people were rather over egging it.
 
I dunno, hearing some of the reasons people were giving for not wearing them, I think many resisting adults just needed to get a bloody grip. Though in most cases I suspect the resistance to masks wasn’t really about the masks.

Not saying there weren’t any justifiable reasons but I think a lot of people were rather over egging it.

My opinions on masks have evolved partly with the state of research and partly with reflection on what the Government and other bodies advised at different points in time.

I agree that some people were likely motivated by selfishness at some points, and that many people’s pro-social instincts made them support a culture of mask-wearing (especially given the argument that wearing a mask was more likely to work in the direction of protecting others as opposed to purely being a self-preservation measure).

I suspected at the time that when masks became generally recommended that it was a measure to stimulate economic activity more than anything else. Now I think it was also because masks were a visible marker of who was following the “correct messaging”, combined with a hope that perhaps they had some small effect.

I was never convinced that masks were a very effective measure (certainly not when compared to social distancing), but until recently my opinion was that they did something to affect transmission chances. The best evidence we now have, with a large amount of high-quality data, is that there is no reason to believe they do anything at all (I struggle a bit with the counter-intuitive nature of this, but I personally would feel my integrity was compromised if I didn’t follow the evidence).

Also, the most recent data is more supportive of the effect of regular hand-washing than previous assessments (and my personal expectations).

There will be more results of meta-analyses and further studies, but I think what we are likely to find out about quite a few aspects of this pandemic are likely to severely damage trust in science and scientists for a long time.

For example, I think my initial assessments about vaccines were coloured by what I wanted to believe combined with too much trust in the breadth of data being collected by the Pharma companies in charge of testing them.

They turned out to be very effective, but I also think we are liable to see that some downsides were understated. Most posters here are mature enough to know that nothing comes with zero risk obv.

I don’t think this post is going to be popular but I hope at least it’s recognised as being honest and in good faith.
 
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I was never convinced that masks were a very effective measure (certainly not when compared to social distancing), but until recently my opinion was that they did something to affect transmission chances. The best evidence we now have, with a large amount of high-quality data, is that there is no reason to believe they do anything at all (I struggle a bit with the counter-intuitive nature of this, but I personally would feel my integrity was compromised if I didn’t follow the evidence).
Could you post a link to the evidence please?
For example, I think my initial assessments about vaccines were coloured by what I wanted to believe combined with too much trust in the breadth of data being collected by the Pharma companies in charge of testing them.

They turned out to be very effective, but I also think we are liable to see that some downsides were understated. Most posters here are mature enough to know that nothing comes with zero risk obv.
If you’re talking about the possible cardiovascular issues, surely it has to be raised that COVID also causes cardiovascular issues, and at a higher rate, as do lots of other things. So yes whilst I would agree with you that the vaccines weren’t entirely risk free, risk has to be discussed comparatively and very often isn’t.
 
Did so in post #200.

And agree totally with you about Covid itself creating similar risks that need to be teased apart from those caused by the vaccine.
Ok, have gone back.

First thoughts regarding community studies is were masks worn properly? Given some of the mindboggling “mask wearing” some of us have seen. It also reports that adherence was low, so how can it really be studied with a degree of certainty?

I might try and trawl through the individual studies later (but it is Easter weekend and frankly I want to relax ;)) but other thoughts are whether different types of contact were recorded, eg brief passing contacts (under 15 minutes) compared to much longer contacts, and contacts where masks would have been taken off and on intermittently.
 
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