What stupid shit has Trump done today?
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ohmyliver
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Carter Page reacts to indictments, Papadopoulos plea
That Carter interview is astounding. Contradicts himself, literally foams at the mouth. I can't believe he's got a decent lawyer because they'd surely have just said 'NO!' when he said I'm going on MSNBC to talk about Mueller.
That court order forcing Manaforts lawyer to breach client privelege and testify against their own client to the grand jury I think is a shape of things to come, with the seriousness of the offences and the evidence available to the prosecutors. It will be really interesting when the fires of this start burning Farage, Banks. etc.
That Carter interview is astounding. Contradicts himself, literally foams at the mouth. I can't believe he's got a decent lawyer because they'd surely have just said 'NO!' when he said I'm going on MSNBC to talk about Mueller.
That court order forcing Manaforts lawyer to breach client privelege and testify against their own client to the grand jury I think is a shape of things to come, with the seriousness of the offences and the evidence available to the prosecutors. It will be really interesting when the fires of this start burning Farage, Banks. etc.
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CRI
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extra dry
Happy to be here
Trump is a few iq points ahead compaired to Trump supporters.
https://bluestatedaily.com/voters-dont-care-cheated-broke-law/
https://bluestatedaily.com/voters-dont-care-cheated-broke-law/
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Not the least bit surprised by this. These same comments could have come from at least 3/4 of the people living where I come from. From what my sister says, there is very little "buyers remorse" being expressed, despite people from that rural working class community being likely to suffer badly from Trump policies. They genuinely hated Obama and Clinton so much on a personal, gut (racist and sexist) level that they're still prepared to back one of the most incompetent, insensitive, greedy, ignorant white guys who ever entered US politics. I think they want to make the point that in their universe, even the most hideous example of a white man is still better than having a black guy or a woman (no matter how competent), as leader of the country. Seriously, that IS what it is.
Know it's been mentioned before, but I don't think anyone has to ask again how "ordinary" Germans "allowed" the rise of the Nazi party and Hitler.
krtek a houby
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gosub
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from the WP march 2016:
George Papadopoulos
Papadopoulos, a 2009 graduate of DePaul University, directs an international energy centerat the London Center of International Law Practice.
He previously advised the presidential campaign of Ben Carson and worked as a research fellow at the Hudson Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington. According to his LinkedIn profile, he has had meetings with the president of Cyprus and the prime minister of the United Arab Emirates. He obtained a masters’s degree from the University of London in 2010.
On his LinkedIn page, Papadopolous lists among his awards and honors that he was U.S. Representative at the 2012 Geneva International Model United Nations.
Papadopoulos confirmed on Monday that he was an adviser to Trump but declined further comment.
Several people in energy policy circles in London, Washington and New York said they knew nothing of him.
Almost all his work appears to have revolved around the role of Greece, Cyprus and an Israeli natural gas discovery in the eastern Mediterranean. Yet Jonathan Stern, director of gas research at the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies, said when asked about Papadopoulos: “He does ring a very faint bell but he’s not written anything very significant on East Mediterranean natural gas and pipelines that I can remember.”
Indeed Papadopoulos has not left much of a paper trail. He has written an oped piece in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz and three articles for Arutz Sheva, an Israeli news site. He has given an interview on another Web site.
His points in all of them boil down to this: Israel should use the natural gas it has found in the giant Leviathan field offshore in the eastern Mediterranean to build bridges to Greece and Cyprus – and avoid dealing with Turkey at all costs. Any extra gas could be sent to Egypt, which Papadopoulos said already has liquefied natural gas plants for importing gas.
He also urged Israel to settle antitrust issues regarding its oil and gas industry – by “providing the regulatory certainty” — so that relatively large companies can exploit the natural gas soon.
Papadopoulos, who bears the same name as the Greek colonel who led a 1967 coup, has also written the United States should station a fleet of warships in Crete and that Cyprus should join NATO.
Shipping the natural gas to Turkey by pipeline and from there to the rest of Europe might be relatively inexpensive, Papadopoulos has written, but he said, Israel should look elsewhere. The Turkish option, he wrote in March 2014, is “bereft of the political realities in the region and does not take into account the potentially devastating impact this option can have on Israel’s strategic relations with EU member Cyprus, and by extension, all of Europe.” He writes: “Regional economic cooperation between Israel and Cyprus should be the guiding principle that anchors Israel economically to Europe.”
In October 2015, he wrote in Haaretz that “Israel’s energy exports can serve as the basis for enhancing strategic relations between Israel and Egypt. They could also serve as the foundation for political and security cooperation with Greece and Cyprus.”
Elizabeth Rosenberg, an energy expert at the Center for a New American Security, said judging from the limited writing Papadopoulos has done that “his approach won’t square well with an American audience: he lacks a strong contemporary background on domestic energy issues.” She added that “he has argued for Israeli gas moving to Europe. If that eventually comes to pass it will compete with U.S. gas to Europe. The United States and Israel are allies, but whose team is he on?”
Papadopoulos also wrote in January 2014 that, “Israel and Greece’s robust military relations have redrawn the political map of the region. The U.S. would be wise to shift its policies, and resources, towards improving relations at all levels with its stalwart allies in the region, Israel, Greece, and Cyprus, to contain the newly emergent Russian fleet, and malignant jihadist forces operating around Israel’s borders.”
Earier, Papadopoulos wrote about terrorism for The Chicago Examiner and as an intern at the Jamestown Foundation. In 2011, he wrote: “As history has explained to its readers, the ancient Greek mythological hero Hercules fought the mythical hydra, which was said to have sprouted additional heads for every head that was cut off by Hercules, and only until the heart of the beast was struck did it fall. The United States and its other NATO allies appear to be in a similar quagmire in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, for the United States and NATO as a whole, the hydra was a myth, while the Afghanistan conflict is real and present and will require a similar Herculean task.”
A biography on Carson’s website says Papadopoulos “designed the first ever project in Washington, D.C. think-tank history on U.S., Greece, Cyprus and Israel relations at a symposium entitled ‘Power Shifts in the Eastern Mediterranean: The Emerging Strategic Relationship of Israel, Greece and Cyprus.’ “
krtek a houby
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krtek a houby
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Indeed; although he does look a bit conspicuous, balancing that hoop on his right shoulder
CRI
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Well, with a history of racial and cultural superiority thrown in.
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John Kelly, seen by some as a "moderating force" on Trump, blew it the other week when defending Trump's shitty call to a war widow, then lying about the Congresswoman who drew attention to the shittiness. Now he's gone full blown historical revisionist white supremacist fuckwit with his praise of Robert E. Lee, insistence the US Civil War could have been prevented if there had been more "compromise," there were "good people on both sides" (where have we heard that before?) and that old favourite dog whistle - getting misty-eyed about the time when "states rights" mattered.
John Kelly is a fan of Robert E. Lee and won't blame the slave-owning Confederacy for the Civil War
Why now? I saw this and thought - yup, that's it.
John Kelly is a fan of Robert E. Lee and won't blame the slave-owning Confederacy for the Civil War
Why now? I saw this and thought - yup, that's it.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
CRI
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The two aren't mutually exclusive, sadly.
Tankus
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Maybe thats why Page doesnt have a lawyer .....although he really nèeds one
Went to Russia at team trumps request ....never saw anyone , spoke to a few locals then flew back ...not mentioning anything of note to anyone of note ....Muellers going to take him to the fekkin cleaners
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the sort you'd be happy to see 'get a room' with the nazis. You sick fuck.
ohmyliver
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Top Trump campaign aide Clovis spoke to Mueller team, grand jury
Clovis the campaign supervisor, who Papadopoulos was emailing, has been speaking to Mueller's team.
Clovis the campaign supervisor, who Papadopoulos was emailing, has been speaking to Mueller's team.
CRI
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I hope so, too. The stuff many in Trump's team, and of course Trump himself, should be enough to nail them all. But, they've got away with it so far.
I hope the investigative process will continue to run its course, but I can't imaging Trump and Co. are just going to let things flow on until one by one, they're forced to resign and/or are prosecuted. Wouldn't be surprised if there are still efforts to halt the process, they figure out some way to put Clinton and Obama in a kangaroo court (they've said often enough they want to), journalists and politicians they hate could start having "unfortunate accidents," and/or they'll galvanise their white supremacist base into insurrection.
It's just too early to know if justice has any chance to prevail.
ohmyliver
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Also at the moment, it seems to be people who conspired to commit treason over Facebook Messenger (I shit you not) vs 18 of the best prosecution lawyers in the US, a lot of who have direct experience in bringing cases against organised crime etc. But that's not to say that there isn't a risk of armed insurrection/civil war.
ohmyliver
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Papadopoulos Claimed Trump Campaign Approved Russia Meeting oh and that, but it's a lot more tenuous that article.
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Viper?
And wtf is an "American Trailer Girl?"
Wow, so you genuinely believe it's impossible for a socialist to be racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic, etc., and folk with left wing views don't benefit a jot from systemic oppression in society and certainly don't contribute to it. That thing about the left and the eugenics movement? Fake news I guess.
CRI
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Why so fucking personal, eh? Back on ignore and back to the subject of the thread.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
see? you can't help it.Viper?
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And wtf is an "American Trailer Girl?"
Wow, so you genuinely believe it's impossible for a socialist to be racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic, etc., and folk with left wing views don't benefit a jot from systemic oppression in society and certainly don't contribute to it. That thing about the left and the eugenics movement? Fake news I guess.
seventh bullet
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Why bother? By now you should know you'll be subjected to insinuation, conflation and downright dishonesty from a twisty, disingenuous tool.
CRI
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I see what you mean about it looking like pros and amateurs. But, it's pretty clear that Trump and his "team" haven't even tried to be that discreet about their actions, even from the start of the campaign. Trump famously asked for Russia to "find" Clinton's missing emails during a public rally and appealed at another rally to the "Second Amendment People" (i.e. those who believe in unfettered right to have and use guns) to act against her. Ten years ago, any politician saying something like that, even in an unguarded moment, would have kissed his career goodbye, and possibly faced criminal charges. Last year all this shit happened openly, and there were no negative consequences, for any of them.
See, I don't think they've been lying to deceive the American people. They've not even tried to slip unpopular policies through on the quiet, like the Tories often do. They haven't even been particularly fussed about connections with the Russian government being known. They wouldn't do this if they were worried about the consequences of any of this. It bothers me that they don't seem particularly worried about being caught and punished - like they're pretty sure it won't happen.
Whether that's because they're confident they can pull the plug on investigations before they go to far, stack the political deck so there's no way any opposition can gain enough traction to stop them or they can count on their loyal supporters to lay down their lives for them, I don't know.
The fact they appear bumbling and incompetent in their deception doesn't automatically mean they won't get away with it. I hope not though, I really hope they won't.
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I think its the reading of the rise of national socialism as any way analogous to Trump that goaded me, but yes, wasted effort.
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