Urban v's the Commentariat

[killer b]

id venture a guess that most guys involved in that scene have at least one fedora.

 

[andysays]

apparently people need forms now.

If forms are the answer, you're asking the wrong question, or at least phrasing/understanding it wrong

 

[DaveCinzano]

I look forward to seeing what they'll come up with next.

An app.

 

[andysays]

id venture a guess that most guys involved in that scene have at least one fedora.

When VP reads that you are in sooo much trouble

 

[andysays]

An app.

I believe I read somewhere (???) recently that such a thing already exists

 

[phildwyer]

id venture a guess that most guys involved in that scene have at least one fedora.

 

[DaveCinzano]

For all we know that chap's just poking his head through a dark matter portal into another dimension.

 

[DotCommunist]

he's doing the westide gang symbol wrong

 

[inva]

Who are the they involved here though? That article mentions tech - now, i don't who or what tech is. I do know that it looked hot for a while for LP and others to jump on. That's my entire interest here. Nailing them. beyond that i know nothing. I don't know about this world of not actually doing anything at all.

I'm mainly going by that Koolaid article to be honest - I can't say I know anything about tech either. I'm the right age to have picked up a bit about weev and that crowd and I dimly remember some far too friendly coverage from years ago, but that's about the limit of it really.

 

[butchersapron]

It's trying to keep up the appearance of being well up on things you know sweet fanny adams about (and this generally means shiny new things - see various academic fields for excellent examples) and making yourself a target in the process in of trying to insert yourself into that newness and hot issue-ness.
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It's a bit like the Scott Walker Sunn O))) collaboration.

 

[killer b]

It's a bit like the Scott Walker Sunn O))) collaboration.

it isn't very good is it?

 

[killer b]

although I think the not-good-ness is more the fault of sunn than scott.

 

[equationgirl]

Have you seen this site?

http://www.engineergirl.org/

Bit recently, it's looking really good. Nice one, thanks

 

[equationgirl]

Shame that I don't find Leena Gade listed there:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/apr/28/leena-gade-female-motorsport-engineer

There's only 228 women worldwide on it. WORLD-FUCKING-WIDE!!!!!! That's ridiculous.

 

[el-ahrairah]

this chap sums it up quite well, though is a bit verbose about it.

http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.co...nt-understand-they-just-dont-like-the-answer/

his basic points are that:

1. having sex with someone very rarely involves a direct question and a direct answer. almost of us are socialised to know when we're being asked and when we're not, using our experience of language, body language, and human interactions. sometimes we're a bit clumsy and unsure about it, but basically we know.

2. the idea of "getting permission" ignores point a. - ignores human social conventions.

3. that the idea of miscommunication is a rapist's excuse. they are aware of point number one, but also of point two. because they are human beings, not some weird monster that doesn't understand stuff. they use the fact that there was no direct refusal to indicate consent, but know that actually there was none. they didn't care.

and i think i agree with that.

 

[killer b]

3. that the idea of miscommunication is a rapist's excuse. they are aware of point number one, but also of point two. because they are human beings, not some weird monster that doesn't understand stuff. they use the fact that there was no direct refusal to indicate consent, but know that actually there was none. they didn't care.

yeah, this is why the whole idea is on dodgy ground imo. it suggests a grey area where there isn't really one.

 

[phildwyer]

I guess these things are dreamed up by people who don't have a great deal of experience of sex tbh.

Several of the women involved mention that they were virgins, or near-virgins, at the time of the incidents they describe.

Of course I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that a lot of it reflects the understandable horror experienced by many young women when the penny finally drops and they realize what young men are actually like.

I suppose that happens to some extent in every generation. But this generation puts it on the internet.

 

[rekil]

Reminder that Laurie bagged that Harvard jolly on the basis that she claimed to be clued up on 'digital culture'.

Laurie Penny (UK), contributing editor of the New Statesman, editor-at-large of The New Inquiry, and a contributor to The Guardian, Vice, The Nation and many other publications, will study the economic history and theory of social movements, with an emphasis on digital culture and linguistics.

Meanwhile Crabapple is worried that a US state dept account might damage her brand. (She could be just pretending)

 

[butchersapron]

They're finally doing what she wanted and arming the FSA though? Arm in arm, shoulder to shoulder.

 

[rekil]

As tennis commentator Chris Bradnam would say: "Too Good"

 

[butchersapron]

Lovely.

 

[butchersapron]

it isn't very good is it?

Not heard it. not ever going to hear it. Walker can fuck off and all now. All his oh so astonishing pieces sound like laurie pennies idea of scary music - i.e the death of modernism in the 20s. Oh god, it's fractured, non-linear, there's a noisy bit coming, oh no an an odd bit. Tilt it up your arse mate. And then put some crap electronic drums on it. Tax dodging fuckface. Still at least he don't hang around with...ah...hang on...

 

[andysays]

 

[killer b]

Not heard it. not ever going to hear it. Walker can fuck off and all now. All his oh so astonishing pieces sound like laurie pennies idea of scary music - i.e the death of modernism in the 20s. Oh god, it's fractured, non-linear, there's a noisy bit coming, oh no an an odd bit. Tilt it up your arse mate. And then put some crap electronic drums on it. Tax dodging fuckface. Still at least he don't hang around with...ah...hang on...

as it happens, I recommended a friend listen to his last album this afternoon, he's just this minute messaged me

Tried the first couple of Bish tracks, but I felt like I was listening to Points Of View letters being read by a suicidal depressive.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Not heard it. not ever going to hear it. Walker can fuck off and all now. All his oh so astonishing pieces sound like laurie pennies idea of scary music - i.e the death of modernism in the 20s. Oh god, it's fractured, non-linear, there's a noisy bit coming, oh no an an odd bit. Tilt it up your arse mate. And then put some crap electronic drums on it. Tax dodging fuckface. Still at least he don't hang around with...ah...hang on...

I'll mark you down as an ‘undecided’.

 

[butchersapron]

I was honestly listening to the walker box zet this morning. But now...pah. Goodbye to all that great stuff. I'll miss you.

 

[Rural]

Style over substance, in other words. Swing loud while saying little.

Explain's Penny Dreadful's whole career trajectory really.

Being cut from the same cloth as LP & ilk (Pilk?) is indication of who they will stand with. When the chips are down, that is who they will b offering their solidarity to.

 

[Rural]

I don't know man, it all seems ridiculous to me.

Last time I looked, they'd collectively agreed on a form--an actual, fill-in-the-blanks form--that they're going to print out, carry round with them, and get their partner to fill out every time they have sex.

Then some of them said: "Ah, but what if someone gives their consent at first, and then changes their mind? Couldn't the form be used against them in court?"

Cue much consternation and a hubbub of earnest discussion. I look forward to seeing what they'll come up with next.

A form to fill in???? Surely it is possible to find other ways of communicating enthusiastic consent without feeling like ur applying for housing benefit. Idgi. These ppl r bonkers. And I'm saying that as someone who has been sectioned 6 times

 

[Rural]

Liked even though I have no idea who the fuck that is

I read that as "licked"

 

[butchersapron]

Both sound like good descriptions of these clowns MO though.