Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby's time is up.

[VivaE]

Do we get any white smoke?

Just smoke screens.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Obviously he should resign. He was presented with the Safeguarding report by the Bishop of Ely in 2013.
I don't quite understand why the CofE are culpable, what was it about John Smyth's activities intersected with the CofE?
Were these CofE camps, was Smyth employed by the CofE?

 

[VivaE]

Obviously he should resign. He was presented with the Safeguarding report by the Bishop of Ely in 2013.
I don't quite understand why the CofE are culpable, what was it about John Smyth's activities intersected with the CofE?
Were these CofE camps, was Smyth employed by the CofE?

Bit of background here -

John Smyth, a powerful and charismatic barrister, sadistically abused private schoolboys who attended evangelical Christian holiday camps in the late 1970s and early 80s. When the abuse was discovered, Smyth was allowed to move abroad with the full knowledge of church officials, where he continued to act with impunity.

C of E covered up attacks by serial abuser John Smyth, review finds

Report says it is ‘unlikely’ Justin Welby knew nothing of concerns about Smyth, who abused schoolboys at Christian holiday camps

www.theguardian.com

 

[bcuster]

Maybe its time for English Catholics to come home to Rome. Surely, Canterbury must have a vision of theology beyond Henry 8's marital problems...

 

[LakieLady]

I found out the other day the role comes with a central London palace that has the second largest garden in the whole of London after Buckingham Palace (although the US Ambassador disputes this with their house). Either way I think I'm going to put in a cheeky application for the role now it's come vacant. I can totally waft around cathedrals wearing purple and waving incense all over the shop.

I thought about applying, but I look awful in purple.

 

[HeAthen]

Bishop of York on the news saying it was teh right thing for Welby to do to protect the church. Not a word about protecting children.

 

[stavros]

Does Welby lose his seat in the House of Lords? It looks like Carey and Williams are still there, for life, or until the UK drags its parliamentary system into the twentieth (sic) century.

 

[HeAthen]

I thought about applying, but I look awful in purple.

My wife fancies the hat. Mind you, when we lived in Rome she was obsessed with the ecclesiastical shops for the priests.

 

[PTK]

Maybe its time for English Catholics to come home to Rome. Surely, Canterbury must have a vision of theology beyond Henry 8's marital problems...

It does.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Bishop of York on the news saying it was teh right thing for Welby to do to protect the church. Not a word about protecting children.

This is an organisation that traumatises children into terrified obedience with threats of eternal torture. Of course they don't give a fuck about protecting children.

 

[PTK]

Does Welby lose his seat in the House of Lords? It looks like Carey and Williams are still there, for life, or until the UK drags its parliamentary system into the twentieth (sic) century.

The separation of church and state was happening in some countries in the 18th century. So the UK is about 250 years behind the times.

 

[quiet guy]

Good riddance to him.

 

[ouirdeaux]

Maybe its time for English Catholics to come home to Rome. Surely, Canterbury must have a vision of theology beyond Henry 8's marital problems...

I know you're trolling, because you're thick as pigshit and incapable of anything else, but RC clergy are notorious for abusing kids. As even you know.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Am I missing something, how is this a resigning matter?

Failure to report crime in full knowledge that said crime will continue; accessory. If Smyth so much as looked at another boy after Welby et al knew, they might as well have abused them themselves. This is criminal, not "a matter to protect the church".

 

[VivaE]

I thought about applying, but I look awful in purple.

Me too. It's also why I won't ever be applying to be queen. That purple and gold combo is such a complexion killer.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Maybe its time for English Catholics to come home to Rome. Surely, Canterbury must have a vision of theology beyond Henry 8's marital problems...

Roman Catholic clergy, despite their theology, did this too in the UK on a massive scale. This is about child abuse, not doctrine. Benedictine monks in my early experiences.

 

[kalmatthew]

Does Welby lose his seat in the House of Lords? It looks like Carey and Williams are still there, for life, or until the UK drags its parliamentary system into the twentieth (sic) century.

Pretty sure they were elevated as lords temporal after they had left the lord's spiritual rather than just getting to stay on.

 

[tim]

Does Welby lose his seat in the House of Lords? It looks like Carey and Williams are still there, for life, or until the UK drags its parliamentary system into the twentieth (sic) century.

He loses the right to sit as a Lord Spiritual. He could be made a life peer like the other two, but that seems unlikely given the situation.

 

[Alan29]

I found out the other day the role comes with a central London palace that has the second largest garden in the whole of London after Buckingham Palace (although the US Ambassador disputes this with their house). Either way I think I'm going to put in a cheeky application for the role now it's come vacant. I can totally waft around cathedrals wearing purple and waving incense all over the shop.

Too late.
Sam Allardyce has already got his name down,

 

[krtek a houby]

Maybe its time for English Catholics to come home to Rome. Surely, Canterbury must have a vision of theology beyond Henry 8's marital problems...

The RCC is a notorious haven for abusers.

 

[ouirdeaux]

I'm sure bcuster knows this. He's a troll, as anyone can see from his Virgin Mary vomitings.

 

[Gerry1time]

Too late.
Sam Allardyce has already got his name down,

Yeah, but has he got what I've got? If not, he'll probably get the job.

 

[bcuster]

I'm sure bcuster knows this. He's a troll, as anyone can see from his Virgin Mary vomitings.

I consider that an offensive post. reported. i've about enough of your vituperativeness

on my birthday, no less...

 

[ouirdeaux]

Happy birthday.

If you find it offensive that I assume you're aware of RC child abuse, I'll retract it and say that you're blissfully ignorant of it. Will that do?

 

[bcuster]

we're drifting off thread topic. Start a new thread and I'll give my views on the subject (again)...

thank you for your kind wishes...

 

[andysays]

Maybe its time for English Catholics to come home to Rome. Surely, Canterbury must have a vision of theology beyond Henry 8's marital problems...

Not a very helpful comment.

 

[bcuster]

Not a very helpful comment.

partially sarcastic; if tim wishes, i'll delete it...

 

[PR1Berske]

Using the "fat pope/thin pope" theory, the next Bish of C should be a conservative choice following Welsby. There are a few choices from the 'keeping the Anglicans together' wing. There are some women in the frame though they've got no chance (playing, if you will, devil's advocate, the CoE knows how tenuous are the strings keeping the whole Communion together and a woman as successor would hand traditionalists the scissors)

 

[PR1Berske]

(Trivial sidenote: there are few positions where I can count only four holders since I was born)

 

[tim]

Using the "fat pope/thin pope" theory, the next Bish of C should be a conservative choice following Welsby. There are a few choices from the 'keeping the Anglicans together' wing. There are some women in the frame though they've got no chance (playing, if you will, devil's advocate, the CoE knows how tenuous are the strings keeping the whole Communion together and a woman as successor would hand traditionalists the scissors)

Welby was the conservative evangelical choice. He long had links with the tongue-speaking, hand-wavingTories of HolyTrinity Brompton. He replaced the liberal catholic, sandle-wearing, beardie Rowan Williams, and going by the tradition of alternation will be replaced by someone of that ilk, probably a woman