Urban v's the Commentariat

[DaveCinzano]

...basically the Helen Lewis of fascism

If I was Alexander Barkashov I would totally have that as my twitter tagline!

 

[frogwoman]

If I was Alexander Barkashov I would totally have that as my twitter tagline!

That's where they're going wrong, if the fash in Eastern Europe really wanted to enact the labour of social change in order to fight heterogeneity and promote white privilege they would be calling each other out on Twitter instead of murdering people on the streets and gaining access to the corridors of power - oh hold on...

 

[Idris2002]

That's where they're going wrong, if the fash in Eastern Europe really wanted to enact the labour of social change in order to fight heterogeneity and promote white privilege they would be calling each other out on Twitter instead of murdering people on the streets and gaining access to the corridors of power - oh hold on...

 

[purves grundy]

It is patronising. Poor parents don't tell our children that they're smart, that they matter, that they can do anything they set their mind to, oh no.

She's giving us the habitus lowdown.

Rather badly.

 

[butchersapron]

She's giving us the habitus lowdown.

Rather badly.

She has no idea about habitus - she's an english lit grad. She is simply describing how she views privilege as working (or rather, she is describing one way in which she thinks it works on its own). Badly.

 

[The Pale King]

She has no idea about habitus - she's an english lit grad. She is simply describing how she views privilege as working (or rather, she is describing one way in which she thinks it works on its own). Badly.

Yes. I may be reading too much into her views, but there seems to be a taken-for-granted equation between moral goodness and being well-off - i.e there is an automatic and unproblematic relationship between social class and childhood encouragement / education.

I agree with Weepiper that it is incredibly patronising (worthy of Mrs Jellyby in fact) and it's also total fucking bollocks.

 

[DotCommunist]

Yes. I may be reading too much into her views, but there seems to be a taken-for-granted equation between moral goodness and being well-off - i.e there is an automatic and unproblematic relationship between social class and childhood encouragement / education.

I agree with Weepiper that it is incredibly patronising (worthy of Mrs Jellyby in fact) and it's also total fucking bollocks.

can't remember why I had the semi epiphany but something I read prompted me to think of this- a tendency that I too often fall into of treating capitalism as some sort of moral failure- as if we could make good of it all by persuading rich people to just stop being greedy. Petitioning the King to sack his bad advisors and rule fairly again. When actually we need his head on a spike and his advisors trapped in the palace as we burn it.

But seriously, the idea of right wingery and capitalist society as a moral failure rather than a structural set up. Must watch myself on that one, its too easy to suppose there are just bad people who need to be nicer.

 

[Ole]

Harvard’s Kennedy School Adds Privilege-Checking to New-Student Orientation

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/05/harvard-adds-privilege-checking-to-orientation.html

“We’re at one of the most powerful institutions in the world, yet we never critically examine power and privilege and what it means to have access to this power,” says Reetu Mody, a first-year masters student in public policy and a campus activist. “We’re excited to have the administration on board for training all Harvard Kennedy School first years.”

....

She says most of the resistance to discussing privilege comes from those who (mistakenly) believe it’s about making individuals feel guilty. That’s why Mody thinks Kennedy School of Government makes a good pilot program for institutionalized privilege-checking. For them, examining the world and your position in it isn’t just a feel-good liberal intellectual exercise; it’s a practical tool for people who hope to be leaders.

Thank you, Reetu Mody. We need more enlightened leaders.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Harvard’s Kennedy School Adds Privilege-Checking to New-Student Orientation

http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/05/harvard-adds-privilege-checking-to-orientation.html



Thank you, Reetu Mody. We need more enlightened leaders.

Jesus

 

[The Pale King]

"Last month, they held a privilege walk: 77 students occupied the school’s courtyard, where two facilitators led a “privilege visualization exercise.”

 

[Wilf]

"Last month, they held a privilege walk: 77 students occupied the school’s courtyard, where two facilitators led a “privilege visualization exercise.”

Says it all really. 'Visualise' it - why not just look at each other?

 

[frogwoman]

“If you don’t have an understanding of sociology, political science, critical race theory, feminist critique, and revisionist history,”

 

[butchersapron]

They don't mean that stuff - they just mean stuff that challenges the dominant narratives of history. That is a shocking attempt to enclose socially progressive politics to elites. About as reactionary as you can get.

 

[Theisticle]

Over 1,600 words spent saying very little. What a chore to read.

http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-...eing-called-racist-nothing-dealing-boko-haram

 

[butchersapron]

I know we really need to move on from penny but it's so hard to when she does this:

Johnson is right that apology ought to count for something, and I’ve found that an honest, rapid, unqualified sorry, backed up by a conscious effort to change one's actions, is generally accepted in good faith.

 

[Theisticle]

Also, why are the NS focusing on second-wave feminism? Seems rather irrelevant. Plus Helen Lewis fawns over a transphobe like Germaine Greer.

It is questionable whether even Greer herself would agree with what she wrote in The Whole Woman, but there are still radical feminists who dispute whether someone born male can ever be a woman. There is also a broader question: what is gender, anyway? If there is no such thing as a "female brain", what does it mean to identify as a woman?

http://www.newstatesman.com/helen-l...nd-wave-why-feminism-needs-respect-its-elders

IIRC, Greer never apologised for transphobia.

This explains so much:

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jan/26/germaine-greer-female-eunuch-feminists-influence

 

[el-ahrairah]

that's fucking hilarious!

butcher's quote, that is.

Theisticle - was greer actually transphobic or, is it that she questions whether gender is a cultural thing and more than just what genitals you have or what you want it to be?

 

[seventh bullet]

“If you don’t have an understanding of sociology, political science, critical race theory, feminist critique, and revisionist history,”

Revisionism in historical research has been a good, fruitful and respectable thing (and I don't mean it in an exclusive middle class way). See the historians of the Soviet Union who helped many to see beyond the inadequate totalitarian model. It's Holocaust deniers, in the main, who have tried to use 'revisionism' as a respectable cloak for their filth.

 

[treelover]

"Last month, they held a privilege walk: 77 students occupied the school’s courtyard, where two facilitators led a “privilege visualization exercise.”

I wonder what Naomi Klein makes of it, all that work, was it in vain?

 

[equationgirl]

"Last month, they held a privilege walk: 77 students occupied the school’s courtyard, where two facilitators led a “privilege visualization exercise.”

They played the PD game didn't they

 

[Balbi]

Twitter types, Sam Ambreen wrote a piece about ushering in fascism and Helen Lewis. LP has just said...



Oh dear Laurie

 

[Pickman's model]

Twitter types, Ambreen wrote a piece about Helen Lewis and ushering in fascism. LP has just said...

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Oh dear.

seems to me that la penny has no class analysis worth the name if she's siding with her boss.

 

[Pickman's model]

*makes tracks for forbidden planet*

 

[butchersapron]

She (the ambreen) said that 'socialists' want to do another nazi style genocide. That piece that was supposed to be on fascism was a disgraceful joke.

Nazi Germany happened because the Germans were concerned only with themselves. Under the guise of socialism (alarm bells) they convinced an entire nation that the Jews were vermin. Just like our socialists have been doing this past year about us. It was as Pastor Niemoller said.

 

[J Ed]

Late conversion to Posadism?

 

[cesare]

She (the ambreen) said that 'socialists' want to do another nazi style genocide. That piece that was supposed to be on fascism was a joke.

Oh my word

 

[butchersapron]

Late conversion to Posadism?

I think we'll be needing a rigorous course of self-criticism and naming of where the bodies are who put them there about her ex-mates (an ever expanding group i believe) first.

 

[Theisticle]

LOL, always making it about herself.

 

[J Ed]

Of course I hope I am wrong here but when future generations ask how it was possible that so many non-white people were terrorised and murdered by the English (this century), the answer will be the same as it was for Nazi Germany. The liberals and lefties let it happen. They allowed for the kind of rhetoric that othered anyone who was not able, wealthy and white. They lied about why it was happening; it’s not class war, Helen, it’s white supremacy.

Sam Ambreen please read any basic history of the interwar period of Germany. You are very confused, I know some of this confusion is deliberate but not all of it is.

 

[Idris2002]

*makes tracks for forbidden planet*

NEVER TO RETURN