Urban v's the Commentariat

[DotCommunist]

I thought Penny was too old to write about student issues now?

http://www.newstatesman.com/education/2014/05/laurie-penny-how-pass-your-damn-exams

She's gone back to uni so presumably is back in the student milue (never can spell that word)

 

[DaveCinzano]

True Das Uberdog doesn't know he's born tbf

Born?! Oxygen-sucking privilege

 

[DaveCinzano]

(never can spell that word)

Can't-be-arsed-to-USE-A-FUCKING-DICTIONARY privilege

 

[cesare]

Born?! Oxygen-sucking privilege

Sucked into the non-white hole of the Y chromosome

 

[butchersapron]

Have the commentariat had anything to say about the Ukraine btw? Any of them? They've had 6 months now. One of them must have said something?

 

[DotCommunist]

i don't think the goodie/baddie lines are drawn clearly enough to allow for hashtagged hectoring

 

[DaveCinzano]

Waiting to hear back from Pravy Sector and Donétskaya Naródnaya Respúblika what their safe spaces policies are. Still no response

 

[equationgirl]

Just before we go onto discuss the Ukraine (no, can't remember any of the commentariat bothering their arse about it), I thought this section of Penny's article was massively patronising:

Private and public schools push pupils hard to sit and resit papers until they get the grades. The other reason is confidence. If you grow up hearing that you’re smart, that you matter, that you can do anything you set your mind to, you’re more likely to walk into your exams with the sense of calm assurance you need to get through them.

It’s that same confidence that carries better-off kids through life with the understanding that they can take risks, reach for their goals, and things will probably be OK. Which makes it doubly unfair, of course, because growing up with money and connections makes it more likely that mediocre exam results won’t have a big impact on your future.

 

[weepiper]

Just before we go to discuss the Ukraine (no, can't remember any of the commentariat bothering their arse about it), I thought this section of Penny's article was massively patronising:

It is patronising. Poor parents don't tell our children that they're smart, that they matter, that they can do anything they set their mind to, oh no.

 

[equationgirl]

It is patronising. Poor parents don't tell our children that they're smart, that they matter, that they can do anything they set their mind to, oh no.

I made the mistake of reading her 'top tips'. Shockingly bad is number 3:

The final trick is the most important, not just for your exams but for the life you intend to lead after time’s up and results are in. Once you have learned how to pass exams, you must learn how not to pass exams. Exams are a pernicious, awful hazing ritual designed to produce compliant drones who can give answers on cue, but not doing your best at them only hurts you, so if you really want to beat the system, you have to remember that your real education takes place outside the exam hall. It’s about reading widely, thinking deeply, asking hard questions rather than simply giving the right answers with a smile. If you truly understand that exams are pointless, you can beat them not just in practice but also in principle. Good luck.

Exams aren't pointless. And describing them as a 'hazing ritual designed to produce compliant drones' isn't helpful either. They're a means to an end. They're not the be all and end all by a long shot. Given her obvious hatred of them I'm surprised she's opted to go back and do a whole lot of hard exams at a hard university.

 

[weepiper]

Acht. I disagree with her fundamentally anyway. I like exams. I chose to take an extra course module/exam rather than do a dissertation because I work better under pressure

 

[rekil]

Have the commentariat had anything to say about the Ukraine btw? Any of them? They've had 6 months now. One of them must have said something?

We should do one ourselves. "Enough with Ukraine already! No matter what happens, the winner will be whiteness"

 

[equationgirl]

Acht. I disagree with her fundamentally anyway. I like exams. I chose to take an extra course module/exam rather than do a dissertation because I work better under pressure

It's the thought of some poor panicky teenager reading it made me

 

[frogwoman]

An intersrctional analysis of right sector

 

[DotCommunist]

I made the mistake of reading her 'top tips'. Shockingly bad is number 3:


Exams aren't pointless. And describing them as a 'hazing ritual designed to produce compliant drones' isn't helpful either. They're a means to an end. They're not the be all and end all by a long shot. Given her obvious hatred of them I'm surprised she's opted to go back and do a whole lot of hard exams at a hard university.

its lit., so it'll be essays over exams I'd have assumed

 

[frogwoman]

Waiting to hear back from Pravy Sector and Donétskaya Naródnaya Respúblika what their safe spaces policies are. Still no response

What pravy sektor and Donetskaya Narodnaya Respublika really need is a facilitator so they can explain how they really feel about their interlocking systems of privilege

 

[DaveCinzano]

What pravy sektor and Donetskaya Narodnaya Respublika really need is a facilitator so they can explain how they really feel about their interlocking systems of privilege

One step ahead of you there:

 

[frogwoman]

I also want to know why Putin didn't put a trigger warning before his speech about crimea

 

[J Ed]

For me the real question is Pravy Sector's position on raceplay and call out culture. Also, are at least 50% of their torturers cis males? Problematic.

 

[redsquirrel]

Have the commentariat had anything to say about the Ukraine btw? Any of them? They've had 6 months now. One of them must have said something?

IIRC Crabapple was cheering on the Maiden protesters, and the anti-gov protestors in Venezuela.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I also want to know why Putin didn't put a trigger warning before his speech about crimea

He's merely following the example of Lyudmila. She certainly never gave a trigger warning!

 

[frogwoman]

For me the real question is Pravy Sector's position on raceplay and call out culture. Also, are at least 50% of their torturers cis males? Problematic.

Yeah I think activists everywhere should be asking why pravy sector don't make their torturers more representative

 

[DaveCinzano]

Yeah I think activists everywhere should be asking why pravy sector don't make their torturers more representative

Say what you will about the Nazis, they were big on equality of opportunity in some fields

Spoiler: SEXUALISED NAZI TRIGGER WARNING!

 

[fractionMan]

Is it wrong that I want to watch that?

 

[fractionMan]

less so now I've read the review:

medical torture was carried out by the Nazis but this movie is not like Men behind the sun, and you will be left questioning the authenticity of Ilsas source

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I see some anarchist conference in Portland saw a shouty twitter/tumblr style row erupt in real life. One of the pannelists, who seems to be a crimethinc sort, had written a controversial article on the usual hot button issues, so protestors stopped him from speaking. Lots of shouting and chanting and then allegations that cops were called etc. Note that the meeting wasn't about the controversial issues.

Music of the future.

 

[butchersapron]

I see some anarchist conference in Portland saw a shouty twitter/tumblr style row erupt in real life. One of the pannelists, who seems to be a crimethinc sort, had written a controversial article on the usual hot button issues, so protestors stopped him from speaking. Lots of shouting and chanting and then allegations that cops were called etc. Note that the meeting wasn't about the controversial issues.

Music of the future.

Keep up lad. Posted on here days ago and a whole other thread.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Keep up lad. Posted on here days ago and a whole other thread.

That's what I get for only looking at the bike race thread for a few days

 

[DaveCinzano]

I see some anarchist conference in Portland saw a shouty twitter/tumblr style row erupt in real life. One of the pannelists, who seems to be a crimethinc sort, had written a controversial article on the usual hot button issues, so protestors stopped him from speaking. Lots of shouting and chanting and then allegations that cops were called etc. Note that the meeting wasn't about the controversial issues.

*coff*

PS Don't think he has anything to do with CrimethInc, though there was an exchange of articles on the use of language.

 

[frogwoman]

Say what you will about the Nazis, they were big on equality of opportunity in some fields

Spoiler: SEXUALISED NAZI TRIGGER WARNING!

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I think Pravy Sector need to apologise to the bdsm community for not having more people like that in their ranks, Barkashov too, he's basically the Helen Lewis of fascism