Urban v's the Commentariat
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Starry Wisdom
and lewis's lickspittle associate, laurie penny.
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Starry Wisdom
butchersapron
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Nearly a million arrested for active resistance in the 12 years of the regime - thousands killed opposing them in the streets before the regime. All otherers. I would be fearful of an anti-fascism based on twitter myself. I'd rather trust to the otherers.
Fozzie Bear
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First they came for the communists, but I ignored that and denounced them for being racists on my blog.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Whose tweets? Our tweets.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You've been saving him haven't you?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
30 000 kpd resistance linked deaths (going with a conservative figure). That stupid post of hers has really pissed me off.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I'm fearful of any anti-fascism that is based solely in the virtual world, because it means that if we ever return to the kind of "street battle" atmosphere of the '70s, most of these mugs will stay at home.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
we aren't seeing that. We aren't even seeing BM style hitler cults. Its church and king mobs, deffo-not-racist patriot movements and...well. The second part of the 'first as tragedy' line.
Is it not fair to say that any time a far right street presence is seen the antis outnumber the boneys and the coppers protecting them?
Is it not fair to say that any time a far right street presence is seen the antis outnumber the boneys and the coppers protecting them?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And then you've got the thousands executed at places like Plotzensee who weren't necessarily leftist, but were resisters nonetheless.
Of course, Plotzensee also did for quite a few citizens of "Greater Germany" who'd done nothing more than not "heil Hitlering" loudly enough, or expressing a lack of enthusiasm for ersatz coffee.
rekil
to menny cranks
Look at her profile pic ffs, where does she think that logo originated?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It has been the case, but I'd argue that for the last 20 years or so, that's been solely down to better comms and logistics by the anti-fascists. There seem to be fewer (IMO/IME) non-aligned anti-fascist taking part than before.
As for back in the '70s, it really depended on how long the logistics chain was/how much "warning" was given of a demo. Sometimes the coppers outnumbered the fascists and the anti-fascist in total!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh yes, good spot.
This has been bugging me for a while, right: does "white supremacist" have any meaning in a Brit / European context? It's not to say that there isn't racism in Britain / Europe, but to what extent is that racism based upon a unified, coherent notion of 'whiteness' (at it undoubtedly is in the States?). Because I'd say the history of racism in Europe has been a bit more complicated than that.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
where are you coming from? certainly the idea of an aryan 'proper white' has been relegated to the lower leagues of nazi freaks but recall what WASP meant- the P bit is important because the irish were still on the lower rung of race and power relations when those kkk lot got going.
butchersapron
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As a central functional structuring element of the way society is/was organised - none. None at all. The comparison with how capitalism developed, how it divided the w/c, it's legitimation process, it's system of aggressive cultural identification in the US is barmy.
butchersapron
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WASP is not a GB term. It's a US term. It has no meaning in this country.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'd also say that despite the fact that class and race relations more nakedly fracture in a US context, it doesn't mean it isn't the same here. The stats on stop search, diagnoses of schitz for black people, jail numbers and makeup etc don't show a more pleasant picture. There is a significan't difference if we want to look at the experience of afro-Caribbean 3rd gen immigrants to britain and the ex-slave thing going on with american black people. For one the black people of this country hadn't had a systematically destroyed culture (yes I know the colonial era of brits in the carribean was just that) but in a modern context its hard to compare them. I hope that makes sense- no moral equivalence either- I'm just saying how it looks to me. Vile in either case but markedly different
butchersapron
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White supremacy - not racism.
What I mean is you'll find British "intersectionalists" talking about race in the UK as if there is a clear "black" (inc. South Asian, Middle Eastern) / "white" divide - with all "white" people benefiting from racism and all "black" people being the victims of the same sort of racism. I think it's taking US racial categories and shoehorning in British demographics.
On St. Patrick's Day I stumbled across a few twitter posts from (British) users going like "oh God, St. Patrick's, when white people pretend to be a minority..." and then ripping some sub-How the Irish Became White yarn... even though, obviously, that has nothing to do with Irish people in the UK. But then you'll see on Sam Ambreen's blog she suggests that the British state now consider s"all non-white people terrorists" - is that at all true? And if it is, how do you factor in the treatment of Irish communities in the UK during the troubles, were they white or non-white?
On St. Patrick's Day I stumbled across a few twitter posts from (British) users going like "oh God, St. Patrick's, when white people pretend to be a minority..." and then ripping some sub-How the Irish Became White yarn... even though, obviously, that has nothing to do with Irish people in the UK. But then you'll see on Sam Ambreen's blog she suggests that the British state now consider s"all non-white people terrorists" - is that at all true? And if it is, how do you factor in the treatment of Irish communities in the UK during the troubles, were they white or non-white?
butchersapron
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If i remember right, when she was told i was irish during her brief sojourn on here she gave some mad essentialist bollocks about gerry adams. Suggests to me that it's not really followed through in any coherent fashion - it is a fashion though.
I was thinking about this the other day, couldn't it be said that anti-racism is in some way structural to neo-liberalism, as in the best wo/man for the job, in a free, flexible and competitive labour market. This would be in tension with the necessary class relations, but I'm not sure that matters and it also won't function because of institutional and personal racism, but I find it hard to see how racism is likely to be a stuctural component of the way capitalism is developing (unlike sexism which is part of the structural nature of neo-liberalism due to the value of profit making work over socially reproductive work). or perhaps I'm taling bollocks.
butchersapron
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Nope, you're not talking bollocks -see Walter Benn Michaels and others - a good part of the non-loon US left are starting to get this now.
Idris2002
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