Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[cupid_stunt]

Oh how I hope this is a massive cyber attack from the west, Russia has been getting away with that sort of shit for too long, it's got to be our turn.

 

[IC3D]

Um nice lads definitely not fash

 

[Flavour]

Um nice lads definitely not fash

fuck off with that shit you putin-defending cunt

 

[hitmouse]

Russian and Ukrainian voices against Putin’s war

This post was published this morning, on the Russian Socialist Movement’s facebook feed For revolutionary defeatism I hope that the armed forces of the Russian Federation are defeated in the war th…

peopleandnature.wordpress.com

 

[hitmouse]

Um nice lads definitely not fash

I'm sure that a foreign invasion will definitely dampen the appeal of Ukranian nationalism. It's a bit like how we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, and as a result, there is now no-one in the entire region who's sympathetic to extreme anti-Western ideologies.

 

[Spymaster]

Starmer's done his own little speech, which unlike BJ's one did include a bit about how people in UK will be impacted.

"In a televised address – responding to the one delivered by Boris Johnson earlier, in which he said Putin’s venture “must end in failure”, including “eventually, militarily” – Starmer said: “We must prepare ourselves for difficulties here"..“We will see economic pain as we free Europe from dependence on Russian gas and clean our institutions from money stolen from the Russian people. But the British public have always been willing to make sacrifice to defend democracy on our continent and we will again.” etc

Anyone with half a brain would realise that sanctions on Russia will impact everyone else. It's not like Starmer's some kind of sage.

 

[andysays]

How could the Ukrainian state have prevented the Russians from taking control of the airport, short of razing it to the ground themselves?

If you follow the conversation back, the original post was specifically wondering why the Ukrainians didn't appear to have some contingency for disabling the airport to prevent it being used by invading forces, given that they were unlikely to be able to defend it.

 

[IC3D]

How could the Ukrainian state have prevented the Russians from taking control of the airport, short of razing it to the ground themselves?

They couldn't, that is why I wondered how come they didn't consider that paratroopers would take it to establish a bridgehead early on nd perhaps try to disable it.

 

[Cloo]

My parents are currently in my mum's native Slovakia, about 179km from the border with Ukraine at Uzhgorod. Slovakia preparing to accommodate refugees - my mum said no panic but strong feelings of solidarity for their neighbours.

 

[emanymton]

As ever, dunno what it's likely to achieve but if anyone in London is free this weekend and fancies it:

EMERGENCY DEONSTRATON

Visit the post for more.

ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org

Fair play to McDonnell for speaking, what do we reckon the odds are of Stop the War endorsing this particular anti-war demo?

Not about the demo but their statement.

 

[emanymton]

Not about the demo but their statement.

OK I apparently cannot post links anymore not the first time. Fine it yourself
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[miss direct]

I'm actually in tears now as have a former student/friend messaging me - she is too afraid to sleep

 

[Wilf]

As ever, dunno what it's likely to achieve but if anyone in London is free this weekend and fancies it:

EMERGENCY DEONSTRATON

Visit the post for more.

ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org

Fair play to McDonnell for speaking, what do we reckon the odds are of Stop the War endorsing this particular anti-war demo?

Is Galloway still involved in the STWC?

 

[IC3D]

fuck off with that shit you putin-defending cunt

They're nazis

 

[hitmouse]

OK I apparently cannot post links anymore not the first time. Fine it yourself
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Do you mean a statement from StW or USC? From what I can find, here's the most recent statement from Stop the War:

Stop the War Statement on Ukraine – 22/02/22

Stop the War condemns the movement of Russian forces into eastern Ukraine and urges that they immediately...

www.stopwar.org.uk

The most recent things Ukraine Solidarity Campaign have posted other than that demo are this statement from Ukranian socialists:

STOP PUTIN’S AGGRESSION IMMEDIATELY!

APPEAL FROM UKRAINIAN SOCIALISTS OF – SOCIAL MOVEMENT Ukraine was directly attacked by Russian imperialism. Vladimir Putin ordered to violate the borders of Ukraine and launch missile strikes on it…

ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org

And this one from international trade unions:

Russia-Ukraine: Step back from conflict and open real dialogue

The ITUC and the ETUC call for an immediate end to hostilities and conflict in eastern Ukraine, and good-faith negotiations to resolve the crisis in the interests of the people. UN Secretary Genera…

ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org

 

[bimble]

If you follow the conversation back, the original post (from bimble , I think) was specifically wondering why the Ukrainians didn't appear to have some contingency for disabling the airport to prevent it being used by invading forces, given that they were unlikely to be able to defend it.

Not me. I have no idea how anyone would disable an airport.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

As usual, it's all about him:

Former President Donald Trump spoke about the Russian military operation in Ukraine in a wild interview Wednesday on Fox News, suggesting this wouldn't have happened under his administration and again making claims of a rigged election in 2020.

Trump, speaking to Fox's Laura Ingraham as the Kremlin's 'special military operation' began, claimed that the so-called 'Russia hoax' ruined his good relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi, arguing he kept the two apart.

Trump blames 'hoax' that led to his impeachment for war on Ukraine

Trump, speaking to Fox's Laura Ingraham as the Kremlin's 'special military operation' began, claimed that the so-called 'Russia hoax' ruined his good relationships with both Putin and Xi

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[andysays]

Not me. I have no idea how anyone would disable an airport.

Apologies, I'll edit that bit out of my post.

 

[emanymton]

Do you mean a statement from StW or USC? From what I can find, here's the most recent statement from Stop the War:

Stop the War Statement on Ukraine – 22/02/22

Stop the War condemns the movement of Russian forces into eastern Ukraine and urges that they immediately...

www.stopwar.org.uk

The most recent things Ukraine Solidarity Campaign have posted other than that demo are this statement from Ukranian socialists:

STOP PUTIN’S AGGRESSION IMMEDIATELY!

APPEAL FROM UKRAINIAN SOCIALISTS OF – SOCIAL MOVEMENT Ukraine was directly attacked by Russian imperialism. Vladimir Putin ordered to violate the borders of Ukraine and launch missile strikes on it…

ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org

And this one from international trade unions:

Russia-Ukraine: Step back from conflict and open real dialogue

The ITUC and the ETUC call for an immediate end to hostilities and conflict in eastern Ukraine, and good-faith negotiations to resolve the crisis in the interests of the people. UN Secretary Genera…

ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org

Top one sorry. Trying to keep up with the thread but keeping having to do bloody work.

 

[manji]

They're nazis

 

[manji]

Azov Brigade. I’ve had dimwit liberals posting similar pictures on Facebook with comments like support Ukrainian democracy ffs.
It most be a doddle working in Tory government propaganda.

 

[Flavour]

you're a putinbot wanker IC3D

 

[Artaxerxes]

Um nice lads definitely not fash

“Why are the fash gaining support when another country is invading”
“Gee Timmy it sure is a mystery

 

[belboid]

As ever, dunno what it's likely to achieve but if anyone in London is free this weekend and fancies it:

EMERGENCY DEONSTRATON

Visit the post for more.

ukrainesolidaritycampaign.org

Fair play to McDonnell for speaking,

shame the other two are pro-nato

 

[IC3D]

you're a putinbot wanker IC3D

Are you or have you ever been a member of Momentum?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Posted by the MoD.



Has not-bono-ever made their £10 donation to the server fund yet?

 

[Pickman's model]

Well of course, but the USSR liberated Berlin rather than the mighty USA was my point.

There's a reason it was called a world war and not everyone against Germany

 

[elbows]

A bit late but can anyone recommend any decent books on Putin, the general post 90s WTF is going on with Russia thing? I've read From Cold War to Hot Peace by Michael McFaul which was informative from the diplomatic angle.

I dont have any nice, well rounded suggestions for you. But sometimes a nakedly biased book can provide a useful guide as to certain aspects, especially when things are put bluntly in it, stripping away much of the window dressing.

And an obvious example of that is 'The Grand Chessboard' by Zbigniew Brzezinski. For example here is what a readers letter said about it in the Guardian during the 2014 Ukraine crisis:

In order to put the current crisis in Crimea in perspective, I would refer people to a very interesting book that I am sure John Kerry, William Hague and, no doubt, President Putin have read. It is The Grand Chessboard,written in 1998 by one of President Obama's favourite foreign affairs theorists and President Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski. In it he argued that the US had to take control of a number of strategic countries, including Ukraine, arguing that that country is "a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical pivot because its very existence as an independent country (means) Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire". He warns against allowing Russia to regain control over the country because, by doing so, "Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia".

That quote is from The significance of Ukraine on the geopolitical chessboard | @guardianletters

The book is from 1997 and Brzezinski has been dead since 2017 so its out of date in some respects, but still rather relevant in others.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, it's pretty nuts. The most sane scenario at the moment is that he's trying to disable Ukraine's fighting abilities only in order to make sure he can hold the whole of the Donbas region. But it seems he's spent a long time saying that Ukraine isn't really a real country and most of it is Russian, so he may be trying to go further and occupy most of the country. If that's the case I don't know if or when the war would end or who might get pulled into it.

Oh ffs. Don't you think VP gave you a teensy hint when he said he was going to demilitarise Ukraine? That that was one of his stated aims?

 

[Doctor Carrot]

They're nazis

What gotcha point do you think you're making here? Do you think it helps matters? Do you think if Russia attacked here Britain First type twats wouldn't be doing something similar?