Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24

[planetgeli]

Only countries voting with Russia on today's UN resolution:

Belarus
DPRK
Eritrea
Syrian Arab Republic

Presumably Brazil abstained. Bolsonaro refuses to condemn the invasion.

 

[bimble]

Only countries voting with Russia on today's UN resolution:

Belarus
DPRK
Eritrea
Syrian Arab Republic

The abstentions are interesting.

 

[Cid]

Presumably Brazil abstained. Bolsonaro refuses to condemn the invasion.

Yeah there are plenty of abstentions of course.

e2a: although apparently not Brazil, well well.

 

[kebabking]

I, for one, welcome the full publication of the 2022 Global Cunts list...

 

[brogdale]

Yeah there are plenty of abstentions of course.

Mostly Greater PRC (in Africa).

 

[Kaka Tim]

This is so extreme, idk if it means they must be seriously worried about public opinion ?

Putin declaring martial law is on my list of possible shit that could happen in the very near future.

 

[planetgeli]

Yeah there are plenty of abstentions of course.

e2a: although apparently not Brazil, well well.

Yeah, considering he met Putin less than a week ago and promised to stay neutral while including the phrase "Brazilians are practically Russians" that is interesting.

 

[Cid]

Mostly Greater PRC (in Africa).

Can't help but be disappointed by Vietnam.

 

[bimble]

The second bit is just brain twisting. The news in Russia says that Ukrainians are currently bombing their own selves. If you say otherwise you’re distributing fake news and off to prison you go.

 

[brogdale]

Seeing as tweets are OK again (?)...this is a startling image of the destruction of Russian hardware in what looks like a fairly suburban setting...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah, considering he met Putin less than a week ago and promised to stay neutral while including the phrase "Brazilians are practically Russians" that is interesting.

Down to economics, perhaps. A quick check suggests that US investment in Brazil is something like 50 times greater than Russian investment. The only BRICS country to break ranks, though.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Compromise. Spoiler your tweets - especially if containing potentially upsetting scenes

 

[Cid]

Seeing as tweets are OK again (?)...this is a startling image of the destruction of Russian hardware in what looks like a fairly suburban setting...

I think tweets have always been ok as long as they're somewhat verified and not posted without comment.

 

[Dogsauce]

Seeing as tweets are OK again (?)...this is a startling image of the destruction of Russian hardware in what looks like a fairly suburban setting...

Looks like a fuel tanker in the middle of that lot, though wouldn’t make sense to have one that far forward? Could equally be a picture of Ukrainian kit.

 

[bimble]

Seeing as tweets are OK again (?)...this is a startling image of the destruction of Russian hardware in what looks like a fairly suburban setting...

Are they all as rusty as that ? Looks like a scrap metal yard.
ETA pic might not be what it seems .

 

[discokermit]

Are they all as rusty as that ? Looks like a scrap metal yard.

heated steel oxidises very quickly.

 

[donkyboy]

there was a whole convoy of russian trucks being reported heading towards a city. clearly visible from satallites. why on earth did the ukrainians just not drone them to toast? seemed pretty obvious thing to do. maybe they were afraid of massive Russian retaliation?

 

[A380]

I wonder how the Russians will react to this approach.

Are they all as rusty as that ? Looks like a scrap metal yard.

That rusty look is what vehicles normally look like when you burn them.

 

[gosub]

Are they all as rusty as that ? Looks like a scrap metal yard.

Fire oxidizes a bit

 

[Dogsauce]

there was a whole convoy of russian trucks being reported heading towards a city. clearly visible from satallites. why on earth did the ukrainians just not drone them to toast? seemed pretty obvious thing to do. maybe they were afraid of massive Russian retaliation?

Convoy will have air cover and surface-to-air defence systems. Maybe better to let them come closer and have a go with hand-held anti-tank stuff, easier to hide, less of a target.

 

[bimble]

It’s really hard to imagine watching TV in Russia, being told that Ukrainians are currently busy bombing their own cities just to make us look bad, and believing it.
Will anyone actually believe that ?

 

[Shechemite]

The abstentions are interesting.
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I thought Iran would have come out stronger in support of Russia

 

[spitfire]

I wonder how the Russians will react to this approach.

I’m out at the moment so can’t link tweet but they had started advancing on the civilians firing and with tear gas grenades. It wasn’t apparent if they were firing at the crowd or just in their general direction but it was starting to get heavy.

 

[Yossarian]

Are they all as rusty as that ? Looks like a scrap metal yard.
ETA pic might not be what it seems .

The photo's from the Associated Press, which captioned it:

People look at the gutted remains of Russian military vehicles on a road in the town of Bucha, close to the capital Kyiv.(AP Photo/Serhii Nuzhnenko)

 

[bimble]

The photo's from the Associated Press, which captioned it:

People look at the gutted remains of Russian military vehicles on a road in the town of Bucha, close to the capital Kyiv.(AP Photo/Serhii Nuzhnenko)

Yeah I didn’t know about burnt metal looking the same as rusty metal.

 

[Cid]

It’s really hard to imagine watching TV in Russia, being told that Ukrainians are currently busy bombing their own cities just to make us look bad, and believing it.
Will anyone actually believe that ?

Yes of course, confirmation bias. People probably believe it here.

 

[bimble]

Yes of course, confirmation bias. People probably believe it here.

I’m not sure. My dad told me lots of stories about how, as a kid in then-soviet Czechoslovakia, everyone knew the news and school curriculum and so on was all lies you were just very very careful to not say that you knew, or what you thought, to anyone, apart from quietly in a safe place. You don’t actually have to convince people just frighten them into silence.

 

[andysays]

it was more the thread i was referring to. there are many more examples on it.

I don't really do Twitter threads, though from reading the Guardian piece TopCat linked to later, there certainly do seem to be various examples mentioned there.

Apologies if I seemed to dismiss it out of hand.

 

[planetgeli]

I’m not sure. My dad told me lots of stories about how, as a kid in then-soviet Czechoslovakia, everyone knew the news and school curriculum and so on was all lies you were just very very careful to not say that you knew, or what you thought, to anyone, apart from quietly in a safe place. You don’t actually have to convince people just frighten them into silence.

Saved me posting the same. Not the dad bit obviously.

 

[bimble]

Telling people that Ukraine is bombing itself does seem to be an example of really desperate measures propaganda-wise.