steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Twitter currently full of hawkish war nerds / fortnight-long "experts" on Ukraine whose bottom lips are almost trembling with disappointment.
Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-24
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MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
I’m sure Macron will be delighted to take the credit, if a deal has been agreed where ukraine accepts some of Putin’s terms if he withdraws the imminent threat. I wonder what else has been agreed under the table? US accepting the Nordstream 2 pipeline going ahead?
I wonder who Putin will threaten to invade next time he wants to become even richer?
Probably the only thing we know for sure is that the public will never be told the full story of what this was all about though!
I wonder who Putin will threaten to invade next time he wants to become even richer?
Probably the only thing we know for sure is that the public will never be told the full story of what this was all about though!
gosub
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Not convinced this is over but its not just Putin on this...Isn't President Biden's son a bit of an expert on Ukranian energy ?
MrCurry
right after this urgent rest
All part of a “multi level, exhaustive diplomacy effort” no doubt..!
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Nope, Putin figured out that if he could provide a victory to Johnson and Truss then that would be much more damaging to the U.K. and allies in the future. Wisely playing the long game.
gosub
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If it is ove though
Been interesting looking at the US tv news stuff, Fox, surprizingly, is the least jingoistic for war out of the channels and its got the ratings too.
I wonder if China is behind the scenes, backing Putin and his reaction to Ukraine joining NATO, but also protecting their own investment in Ukraine.
China is Ukraine’s largest trading partner and China’s State owned industries have heavily financed Ukrainian state owned industries, especially in the energy and agricultural sectors.
China is Ukraine’s largest trading partner and China’s State owned industries have heavily financed Ukrainian state owned industries, especially in the energy and agricultural sectors.
gosub
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So he's giving Crimea back then?
gosub
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Putin's upset over Ukraine joining NATO predates a lot of China's Ukraninan investment, 2008 AND its not like Russia isn't a bigger Sino trading partner.
Bucharest Summit - 2-4 April 2008
Text of Putin’s speech at NATO Summit (Bucharest, April 2, 2008)
The south of Ukraine – there are only Russians… Ukraine merely received it with the decision of KPSS political bureau. Who may assert that we do not have any interest there?… (excerpt from the famous Putin`s Bucharest speech)
I possibly thought any advice or input from China will have more influence on Putin than anything from Biden and the other NATO leaders in this instance.Putin's upset over Ukraine joining NATO predates a lot of China's Ukraninan investment, 2008 AND its not like Russia isn't a bigger Sino trading partner.
Bucharest Summit - 2-4 April 2008
www.nato.int
Text of Putin’s speech at NATO Summit (Bucharest, April 2, 2008)
The south of Ukraine – there are only Russians… Ukraine merely received it with the decision of KPSS political bureau. Who may assert that we do not have any interest there?… (excerpt from the famous Putin`s Bucharest speech)www.unian.info
gosub
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Ramping up? UK and US removed troops from UKraine b4 Russia said they were returning troops home. (All beoing well, I wonder how many bits of kit Russia forgets to take with them this time)
gosub
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I supose Russia could be tactically withdrawing troops back to Ristov incase Liz Truss threatens to invade it again
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gosub
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And how much cheedar cheese do the Russians eat?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
none/very little as there is a prohibition on important european cheeses (this was eu cheeses but i suppose it still applies to uk cheese)
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splonkydoo
Well-Known Member
The cut & truss of post-brexit international diplomacy is something to behold. Pork markets in despots lands across the world must be trembling right now at the thought of it. 
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Widely circulated "young woman with a rifle" photo is pure bullshit
and the loathsome Margarita Simonyan has her say.
and the loathsome Margarita Simonyan has her say.
Larry O'Hara
Well-Known Member
Fascinating is it not, that the Monroe Doctrine never gets mentioned in situations like this....still hasn't been. Now. much as I have no time for Putin, who is a murderous thug (albeit a clever one) and although I adore the late Marilyn that wasn't the Monroe I was thinking of, but President James Monroe & his 1823 Doctrine. Put it another way: let's suppose Mexico became very friendly with Russia and said it wanted the right to join with them in a military alliance. Would the US be happy? And of course they invaded Mexico in the 19th Century: hence the acquisition of Texas/California. And so on...
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
She was great in 'Some Like it Hot', but 'Gentlemen Prefer Blondes' is good too.
For my money, we are on the cusp of a new Imperial era. This sort of thing is part and parcel of it.
China and Russia will carve up Eurasia. Will be interesting to see if any others stick their oar in, though difficult to think who might be a contender. Turkey, I suppose..? India, maybe.
China and Russia will carve up Eurasia. Will be interesting to see if any others stick their oar in, though difficult to think who might be a contender. Turkey, I suppose..? India, maybe.
not-bono-ever
meh
The russian cheese industry has exploded over the past few years. Some of it is very good artisan stylee
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think what you're trying to say is that you see some very bloody wars on the horizon. which is what i've been anticipating for years.
Dirty, brutal bloody wars on the horizon, where the biggest victims, once again will be poor, innocent people.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Wonder what will happen if Putin decides to close russian air space to the 300,000 flights which use it each year
#actionsshortofanuclearstrike
#actionsshortofanuclearstrike
Raheem
Well-Known Member
But she wasn't even a real doctor, as far as I'm aware.
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