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UK man sentenced for having manga images of children

andysays said:
Well, you've only just said what film you're talking about, so before you did, no one could say if it was inappropriate or not.

Anyway, the difference between A Serbian Film (which I haven't seen but I have read about) and pornographic depictions of children (or indeed any pornography) whatever format they're in, is that the former has been judged (whether rightly or wrongly is another question) to have some artistic merit, not to be made and viewed simply for wanking purposes.
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The name was mentioned much earlier in the thread. Page 6?
 
sim667 said:
By see it, aplogies I've got notifications flying at me at the rate of knots
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Don't know what this means. If it means you now see it then good. I told you to your face hours ago and you replied - never mind notifications. Every single poster other than you got it. On that not getting it - you've accused me of a related series of crimes. I look forward to your extended apologies foe doing so.

Not really, just get on the fucking ball and stop lashing out.
 
sim667 said:
To show it as something disgusting.

But it's still a depiction of child rape, if all of them should be banned why do people think that one is acceptable?
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So what is the difference between the intent of these film makers and the intent of manga guy making his images?
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Of course a representation is different to the actual doing....

But a guy having child porn pics, even stick man drawings of children being sexually abused by an adult, is not looking at them for their artistic merit.
Do you get this??

If you don't realise this then you're very naive.
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Yes I understand that he does not have the pics because he thinks they look pretty on his wall.
 
8115 said:
I guess it is fair enough to feel that way. But we don't live in a perfect world and we need a "least worst" solution to things like this. I don't see that prosecuting and locking up some sad case who wants to look at dodgy manga is necessarily the best way to deal with it. I don't know if that makes me a rape apologist, I'm not saying, oh it's fine and not disturbing.
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No, we don't live in a perfect world. But the rates of recidivism among prosecuted child abusers is scarily high, even after 'treatment'. I think the only way to deal with it is to make it completely socially unacceptable not least because it cuts down the trade of 3rd world kids being pimped for 1st world pleasures. No, it's not a 100% solution but it seems to me to be the least bad.

There are charities who support people with paedophile tendencies to help them address and deal with their proclivities but I suspect that a predator needs to really feel that they need help with their issues before they will seek it. This all feels a bit like 'can't get a real live kid? This is the next best thing!'.

As a society, we cannot ever condone sex with a child because a child can never consent. Any images are always abuse.
 
Blagsta said:
So what is the difference between the intent of these film makers and the intent of manga guy making his images?
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Both of their intentions are to depict child rape.

Yet one attempts to do it using realism and one attempts to do it with an interpretation of.

Apparently the realistic interpretation is better than the interpretation off according to u75 users.
 
sim667 said:
Both of their intentions are to depict child rape.

Yet one attempts to do it using realism and one attempts to do it with an interpretation of.

Apparently the realistic interpretation is better than the interpretation off according to u75 users.
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Intentions to depict child rape for what reason?
 
sim667 said:
A serbian film.

Funnily enough no-ones agreed with me its inapropriate...I haven't called you all rape apologists for it
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A Serbian Film contains a short scene with a fake baby. I've only seen the BBFC version and it's a wee bit disturbing. I read somewhere that the full scene probably couldn't have been prosecuted (as in found obscene), despite being more sexually graphic.

Got to agree with sim667 - if someone made a *crap* drawing of two kids shagging, or two stick people shagging with only arrows over their heads giving away their ages, should that be prosecutable? I just can't see it being a 'child abuse' crime unless it features actual kids, except maybe if the features are based on a particular individual.
 
I think there's a spectrum from what you can basically call titillation such as possibly a Serbian film and Human Centioede through to pure porn.

But people only get really worked up when it's pure straight down the line porn.

And this is important because it perpetuates one of the beliefs that we as a society hold, about stranger danger and the otherness of the child abuser, which I think is a very flawed belief.
 
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Johnny Vodka said:
A Serbian Film contains a short scene with a fake baby. I've only seen the BBFC version and it's a wee bit disturbing. I read somewhere that the full scene probably couldn't have been prosecuted (as in found obscene), despite being more sexually graphic.

Got to agree with sim667 - if someone made a *crap* drawing of two kids shagging, or two stick people shagging with only arrows over their heads giving away their ages, should that be prosecutable? I just can't see it being a 'child abuse' crime unless it features actual kids, except maybe if the features are based on a particular individual.
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Oh god
 
sim667 said:
Both of their intentions are to depict child rape.

Yet one attempts to do it using realism and one attempts to do it with an interpretation of.

Apparently the realistic interpretation is better than the interpretation off according to u75 users.
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Who said that? When? Where?
 
sim667 said:
Both of their intentions are to depict child rape.

Yet one attempts to do it using realism and one attempts to do it with an interpretation of.

Apparently the realistic interpretation is better than the interpretation off according to u75 users.
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It's not simply about depicting child rape though, is it? In the case of the porn, it's specifically to provide sexual gratification through wanking.

Whatever you think of A Serbian Film, I don't think anyone is suggesting that is it's primary purpose.
 
Blagsta said:
Intentions to depict child rape for what reason?
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I don't think a serbian film was intended for fapping.

butchersapron said:
Don't know what this means. If it means you now see it then good. I told you to your face hours ago and you replied - never mind notifications. Every single poster other than you got it. On that not getting it - you've accused me of a related series of crimes. I look forward to your extended apologies foe doing so.

Not really, just get on the fucking ball and stop lashing out.
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i.e. everyone keeps quoting me..... I've got a bone to pick with trash pony who's obviously struggling with the definition of rape, and I'd like to respond to that at some point.

You haven't told me anything to my face, ive never fucking met you..... You just made short comments assuming I'd magically know what you meant....
 
Johnny Vodka said:
A Serbian Film contains a short scene with a fake baby. I've only seen the BBFC version and it's a wee bit disturbing. I read somewhere that the full scene probably couldn't have been prosecuted (as in found obscene), despite being more sexually graphic.

Got to agree with sim667 - if someone made a *crap* drawing of two kids shagging, or two stick people shagging with only arrows over their heads giving away their ages, should that be prosecutable? I just can't see it being a 'child abuse' crime unless it features actual kids, except maybe if the features are based on a particular individual.
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He wasn't prosecuted for child abuse and received no prison term. So you can rest easy over your rather bizarre position.
 
Men looking at images of fantasised kids so they can wank over them is wrong, something's we know just know are fucking wrong. I hate these people and anyone who ever begins to make excuses for the abuse they are encouraging should fuck off and die, we deserve better than this shit. Put it in any words you like but if you get near me it'll be fighting.
 
Dr_Herbz said:
I think you must have edited your post as I was replying to it.
I get the impression that sim thinks the film was wank material.
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I really don't think a serbian film is wank material.

The point is they both depict the same thing, everyones unified that child abuse should not be tolerated in any kind of depiction, yet people will defend this particular film....
 
sim667 said:
I don't think a serbian film was intended for fapping.



i.e. everyone keeps quoting me..... I've got a bone to pick with trash pony who's obviously struggling with the definition of rape, and I'd like to respond to that at some point.

You haven't told me anything to my face, ive never fucking met you..... You just made short comments assuming I'd magically know what you meant....
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Let no one say i did not try.
 
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