Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Ah, okay, so what law was used here? Obscenity? I can sort of agree with that.
UK man sentenced for having manga images of children
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Ah, okay, so what law was used here? Obscenity? I can sort of agree with that.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
the article says prosecuted for pseudo images of children, apparently made illegal in 2010?
I pretty much agree with what you're saying but the harm that is done to kids in the third world demonstrates that making it unacceptable hasn't worked because people understand, it's not ok to do this in my own country and they start taking holidays in Thailand or whatever. Pure condemnation doesn't work, I think you have to work with people prone to offending. It's like the war on terror or the war on drugs, you have to be really smart about it.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Why do you keep avoiding giving a direct answer?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
What was the intent of the maker's of the serbian film compared to manga guy?
andysays
Love and solidarity
No, everyone is not unified that child abuse should not be tolerated in any kind of depiction, it depends very much which the nature and intention of that depiction is.
There's a world of difference between a documentary examining and depicting child abuse, on the one hand, and child porn produced for sexual gratification through wanking.
Anyway, I get the impression that despite the attempts of a number of people to listen to you, understand you and explain where/how you're confused, your confusion is such that this is now a fruitless exercise.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Which I think I can agree with. I was getting the impression fake images were being lumped in with real images, two totally different things.
I haven't seen the film, so I can't comment on it but I think you're missing the point completely. The film wasn't made to be shared and wanked over by a pedo ring. The child-rape manga images were.
All images depicting child rape are now illegal. Yer man was handed a suspended rather than real prison sentence as the judge acknowledged it was a victimless crime but, none the less, these images aren't welcome. And rightly so. Seems the judge was level headed and I say that despite despising the fucking beak.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
How would anyone know? Some people consider ASF pure exploitative trash - others think it much better than that and at least an attempt at a serious film.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What sort of thread would be enhanced by this clown posting on it after 20 pages?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
You really can't tell the difference between artistic intent (however controversial or misguided) and pornographic intent?
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Oh ffs, Sim.
That's not the substantive difference in the context of this discussion is it?
One has been produced to depict the horror of child rape, the other has been produced so nonces can get sexual gratification from child rape imagery.
Why don't you get this?
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Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I think it's a line that can be blurred (not necessarily in this instance). Can art never be porn and porn never be art? Have you never seen a 'film' that was really just an excuse for the actors to get nekkid?
Treacle Toes
Time
sim667 I am a bit confused about the stance you are taking in this tbh.
Manga has long walked the line and is overly sexualised in it's depiction of women etc many of whom look bearly legal...
Manga images that involve the sexualisation of children are just that..regardless of whether they are cartoons...seriously to defend this is to say that any of us can draw a picture of a child being abused or sexualised and we shouldn't be called on it...
Child abuse has moved with the times and technology, as such depictions of it have moved on...creating or getting off on CGI of children in sexualised/abusive situations is the same thing.
Manga has long walked the line and is overly sexualised in it's depiction of women etc many of whom look bearly legal...
Manga images that involve the sexualisation of children are just that..regardless of whether they are cartoons...seriously to defend this is to say that any of us can draw a picture of a child being abused or sexualised and we shouldn't be called on it...
Child abuse has moved with the times and technology, as such depictions of it have moved on...creating or getting off on CGI of children in sexualised/abusive situations is the same thing.
Athos
Well-Known Member
A thread entitled 'This Will Be The Last Thread On Which I Ever Post'.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
But would we be called on it (legally)? Why would this be so much worse than a drawing (yes, a drawing) of someone being stabbed or beheaded, for example? Would prosecution also depend on the artistic ability of the artist?
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Wasn't someone done for drawings last year?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'd even like that.
I think, as someone mentioned earlier, 'intent' would be the key factor.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's the name of the person i was grasping for - she did say that she would think about it and had missed lots of stuff in her original position. There's an honesty there.
iirc her first involvement with the boards was on such a thread, and she stayed for several years after?
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
There's a bit more to this that I'm not willing to discuss publicly. But believe me, I do have reasons for my stance..... The thread has dragged up some things from growing up, let's just leave it at that please.
8ball
Maximum Facepalm
Not as simple as not having the cones, but yes.
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